dye request - spriggan black

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Originally Posted by Gemina

So yeah, grey. Or is it gray? hmmm

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Outside of very specific contexts, it literally does not matter.

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

A little science by a noob (me):

A color is what our brain tells us when it combines the amount of light our eyes receive through their blue, green, and red receptors.

White, for example, does not exist. Our brain gives it to us as a combination of what it receives from receptors in our eyes. We "see" white because our brain invents it as a combination.

Black is what our brain gives us as a combination when it receives nothing from the blue, green and red receptors in our eyes. The black spriggan is this one. Not a very limited amount of colors that make for a very dark color. A total absence of blue, green, red which makes our brain tell us: "ok, nothing to see!".

In HTML, black corresponds to # 000000. No blue, no green, no red.

An area dyed in spriggan black is an area that neither emits nor reflects back any light. No matter the fabric, wood, dyed metal, it is BLACK.

Any reflection or shine effect could only be due to a varnish or any other surface treatment which would be applied over the black and which would interfere with the surrounding light before the black absorbs it. Not the dyed surface.

Spriggan black :)

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You've actually explained here why Jet Black doesn't present as "Spriggan Black" despite being as black as you can get.
Simply, the texture and therefore the pattern and amount of 'shine' of a piece of equipment is separate to it's colour component, separate to the dye.
The reason clothes dyed Jet Black look grey compared to the Spriggan hat, is because they have texture, the Spriggan hat does not.

They probably can't make a dye any blacker, because dyes don't alter an items texture.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

You've actually explained here why Jet Black doesn't present as "Spriggan Black" despite being as black as you can get.
Simply, the texture and therefore the pattern and amount of 'shine' of a piece of equipment is separate to it's colour component, separate to the dye.
The reason clothes dyed Jet Black look grey compared to the Spriggan hat, is because they have texture, the Spriggan hat does not.

They probably can't make a dye any blacker, because dyes don't alter an items texture.

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Jet Black is not black. It is very dark, but it is Jet black, not black; not a true lightless black:

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Information about Jet Black / #0A0A0A

In a RGB color space (made from three colored lights for red, green, and blue), hex #0A0A0A is made of 3.9% red, 3.9% green and 3.9% blue. In a CMYK color space (also known as process color, or four color, and used in color printing), hex #0A0A0A is made of 0% cyan, 0% magenta, 0% yellow and 96% black. Jet Black has a hue angle of 0 degrees, a saturation of 0% and a lightness of 3.9%.
Color conversion

The hexadecimal color #0A0A0A has RGB values of R: 3.9, G: 3.9, B: 3.9 and CMYK values of C: 0, M: 0, Y: 0, K:0.96.

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IRL, Jet black might be considered black because, IRL, we don't have black dye. Jet is the blackest dye we can get. So far so close.
But Jet black still bounces back some light and makes the fabric, wood, dyed metal it's applied to have a visible effect.

FFXIV being a video game, it doesn't have the IRL boundaries.
Jet Black (#0A0A0A) and Black (#000000) are both doable. And different.
And FFXIV being a video game, it doesn't have the IRL boundaries. If you want a true black you can have it. See the Spriggan Cap.

Spriggan Black FTW! :)

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

Jet Black is not black. It is very dark, but it is Jet black, not black; not a true lightless black:

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Jet black is black. It is within the range of sufficiently dark greys that the average human considers to be "blacks" even if they are not absolute, lightless, nonreflective black.

There's also no guarantee that FFXIV "jet black" is strictly hexadecimal "jet black" because that's also simply a term that someone might use to describe something that is a very dark black.

And even if you could colour an object perfectly black, unless it is designed with a particular texture that prevents any reflection of light, then it will still not look lightless to an observer.

For whatever reason, the spriggan cap (and presumably spriggans themselves) has been given this lightless texture - perhaps the game can't handle calculating light and shadow over something so spiky-furry and/or there's some kind of visual illusion going on to make them work properly.

I doubt that you could simply apply #000000 black to a normal gear piece and have it look lightless like the cap. It would still be subject to light and shadow.

I want crimson colour

Dyeable Spriggan cap when? Or would that be sacrilege?

To the actual topic though, you have my support! I'd love more dyes (and hair colors) in general. I saw someone mention cyan which I wholeheartedly agree with. It's one of my favorite colors. <3

(Off topic again but kind of relevant, please stop making gear that uses colors that doesn't have any matching dyes!!!)

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Originally Posted by yotsuffy

Jet Black is not black. It is very dark, but it is Jet black, not black; not a true lightless black:



IRL, Jet black might be considered black because, IRL, we don't have black dye. Jet is the blackest dye we can get. So far so close.
But Jet black still bounces back some light and makes the fabric, wood, dyed metal it's applied to have a visible effect.

FFXIV being a video game, it doesn't have the IRL boundaries.
Jet Black (#0A0A0A) and Black (#000000) are both doable. And different.
And FFXIV being a video game, it doesn't have the IRL boundaries. If you want a true black you can have it. See the Spriggan Cap.

Spriggan Black FTW! :)

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You are right, in game has entirely different properties than real life, and that's exactly my point.
Simply adjusting the colour to #000000 won't eliminate texture and reflection, because those are separate distinct factors to colour, overlaid.
The black of the Spriggan hat is due to both #000000 AND a complete lack of texture/reflection.

The dye system doesn't allow for removing texture/reflection components. Hence why dyes can look completely different from one piece of equipment to the next.

As a side topic, you should look up 'Vanta Black'. There is a real life black dye that is virtually free of reflection.
The consequence of this however is that is absorbs so much heat you have to be very careful what you apply it to. For example if you painted the bottom of a pool with it, it would boil and vaporise the water within minutes, and release toxic chorine gas. And the patent for it is owned by a very petty and spiteful man.

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Originally Posted by Anyan

(Off topic again but kind of relevant, please stop making gear that uses colors that doesn't have any matching dyes!!!)

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Such as? Only ones I can think are the i90 MNK AF from ARR

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Such as? Only ones I can think are the i90 MNK AF from ARR

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There are a lot of things. Some drastically, some subtly, but so often there are colours that just can't be dyed to match.

Off the top of my head:

- magenta used for some caster gear like the sky pirate and Shisui sets

- magenta on the Gambler's set (not the same as caster magenta IIRC)

- pinks

- soft orange as on the Pagos shirt

- exact shades of white that fall between the vividness of Pure White and the off-white of Snow

I've never found an exact match for the blue dragoon AF1 set.