A few thoughts on FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Rokyusan

So I take it my post had "fanboy" written all over it? lol

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No, not really. However in order for games to improve people need to say their opinions, if they didn't and the company didn't listen do you think FFXIV would have come this far?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Not sure if anyone would even take the time to Read a Wall o Text though :/.. just saying.. it seemed more like you talking to a wall then you actually conversating @.@.. But that's my Opinion :P

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If they aren't going to read it, they shouldn't be replying.

Also the stuff I said couldn't really be explained in a few short words.

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Originally Posted by Xikeroth

If they aren't going to read it, they shouldn't be replying.

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Well.. they skim through it.. and pick something thats interesting to them.. and argue about it If its a Very long text they has a possibility of being pointless or something worth while. To the Reader.. if you don't start off Good.. they are just going to say Meh.. Im just going to skim through it avoiding key words etc.

Also Since this is your 9/10/11 posts your Obviously New to the Forums.. and this is how the Forums Operate now in days.. Hope you like it :P.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Well.. they skim through it.. and pick something thats interesting to them.. and argue about it If its a Very long text they has a possibility of being pointless or something worth while. To the Reader.. if you don't start off Good.. they are just going to say Meh.. Im just going to skim through it avoiding key words etc.

Also Since this is your 9/10/11 posts your Obviously New to the Forums.. and this is how the Forums Operate now in days.. Hope you like it :P.

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Doesn't matter to me how the forums operate. I don't really care for posting on forums much so I don't come here mostly due to the fact people don't really take opinions conflicting to theirs (specially about something with the name Final Fantasy)very kindly and decide to try to turn it into a fight.

I would rather post an opinion I have and have it be done with its there, but if someones going to argue for whatever reason I'll argue right back doesn't matter much to me. I don't usually go to FF forums because most of the people looking around them would protect a bag of dog poo labelled Final Fantasy like a newborn child regardless of its content.

They clearly missed the fact I stated that I Do like FFXIV and I enjoy playing it, I just had thoughts on some of the points and posted a thread about it.

Some good points OP, and you're suriving the attack of Fanboys quite well.

There a lot of people who are saying "just quit, its fine", if theres people who dont think its fine, and people liking and agreeing, then its obviously not fine is it.

SE want Feedback, so why are you being ignorant ahats and telling this person to "quit" when hes just giving feedback.

The fanboys in this game are so dumb, they tell people to gtfo, quit, and so on, yes im sure SE really appreciate you telling potential customers not to spend their money on the game you supposedly like but continue to fend of customers....

Crazy world...

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Originally Posted by viion

Some good points OP, and you're suriving the attack of Fanboys quite well.

There a lot of people who are saying "just quit, its fine", if theres people who dont think its fine, and people liking and agreeing, then its obviously not fine is it.

SE want Feedback, so why are you being ignorant ahats and telling this person to "quit" when hes just giving feedback.

The fanboys in this game are so dumb, they tell people to gtfo, quit, and so on, yes im sure SE really appreciate you telling potential customers not to spend their money on the game you supposedly like but continue to fend of customers....

Crazy world...

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Thank you, and I agree with what you're saying as well, kind of shocking others don't.

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Originally Posted by Xikeroth

Thank you, and I agree with what you're saying as well, kind of shocking others don't.

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<--agrees

Just because there have been drastic changes doesn't mean they have to be set in stone. I currently like some of the new stuff that has been put into the game, but if lots of new players aren't drawn to the game...then there's no point in keeping the servers up. I asked for drastic changes on all three player's polls and will adapt to them as they become available :D

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Originally Posted by Akumu

The gameplay of FFXIV is not meant to be a spam fest action game. It's more of a slower more tactical MMO where positioning actually matters. Most MMOs these days are action spammers which is why they don't use TP or positioning in their combat system. There is a playerbase for both sides and SE doesn't have to join the flood of action MMOs.



These are not "solo skillchains" but combos. "Skillchains" are Battle regiments that have been removed and are currently being redone like most systems that are finally piecing together in this game.



All melee range gets hit with damage and being behind the entire fight isn't the best decision. The behind combo is useful for the most part but can put you in danger if that's all you do is stand behind non trash mobs. Again, the game is more tactical than Face ---> Keyboard!



This is a Party > Solo kind of game. Party will always be more engaging and fun as it is the design for it. There are more than enough solo orientated games out there. Spamming 1 is also not something that kept many people entertained which is why the community killed many kittens over it.

A non Auto Attack system does not fit this style of game.




Tanking requires some skill to do and also not something you Face --> Keyboard through just because it is your role. The issue with PLD vs WAR is not a baseline enmity issue. WAR HP would be ok if PLD would get an increase in damage reduction. WAR also generates more controlled enmity than PLD because of its STR. PLD also can't over cure from increase in hate which would help the issue some.



It's a "mistake" that the community pretty much asked for. It might not be EXACTLY as some ideas proposed but it is still around the general area of them. The game has had a huge positive factor once they added jobs. I wouldn't say how they went by it was wrong.



Classes are not meant to BE anything. A job is the one with the identity. The class basically just tells you where you stand during a battle as they all are grey in the end.
However, A WAR can deal damage but is mainly a tank as seen by it's Job abilities. All the pure DD jobs can out damage them though.



Well the game was polled to be more instanced to get rid of the "fighting". In my opinion the way XI did AF was horrible when compared so I also disagree with this.




Are you talking about how a linkshell is ran? If casual gamers don't like stone set rules don't join a Hardcore linkshell. SE can't force people to run their shells how YOU or anyone else that's not the leader(s) of the shell.



It's called content finder. That will be your casual friendly tool. It will be cross server so that ensures there will be a good chunk of people willing to do what you want to accomplish.



PvP will NOT be a main focus like SWTOR/WoW or any of the others. PvE is the main focus and I see Classes being used more for such an event. There isn't much balancing needed as I see it, ALL classes are grey in the end.



Those looking for a WoW/SWTOR like system will be leaving if that's the only reason they joined. It has already been stated this will be PvE focused.



How much more of a dramatic revamp could a MMO do? They are finally finishing up on a lot of core revamps after a year plus and you think they need to be do something even more drastic?

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No matter what SE does there will always ONLY be SOME people that enjoy it. No MMO
is enjoyed by all especially these days. WoW is so massive because an entire family from 3 years old+ could play and win. They can keep their kiddie playerbase and massive immaturity among them.

SE doesn't need a "large" playerbase to turn a profit. They only need a solid one. One of SWTOR issues currently is opening so many servers among their "large" base and now that only the solid remains it is spread thin among the servers. FFXI lived this long, was successful to SE, AND made(and continues to make) a profit because it's playerbase was solid, yet it never reached 1 million subs(even though abyssea since has shaken the once stabilized playerbase).


If you currently have such major issues with the game, and the OP seems pretty major to me, this game probably won't be for you once 2.0 releases.

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I agree with you, not Xikeroth.

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Originally Posted by Xikeroth

Not addressing the post is the same as ignoring issues, If the makers of the game want to make a profit they need to listen to critics, not fanboys

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Actually not addressing the entire post is just not addressing the entire post.
You should be happy someone welcomed you with constructive reply.

FFXIV is obviously not the game for you. This game is now playable. Its fun for a lot of people, included me.
Its not an action game. FFXIV is its own breed. SE can't target the entire market on every aspect of the game... those being the most basic aspects: battle system, for example.

Most the people love or like the new system and understand it isn't finished yet. But a minority (you and a few others) strongly dislike it.

I'm not trying to be an ass, just saying that if you don't like first person shooters, you don't play first person shooters: you don't go telling the developers to turn it into a turn based strategy game. If you don't like the successful direction XIV is taking, don't play XIV.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

<--agrees

Just because there have been drastic changes doesn't mean they have to be set in stone. I currently like some of the new stuff that has been put into the game, but if lots of new players aren't drawn to the game...then there's no point in keeping the servers up. I asked for drastic changes on all three player's polls and will adapt to them as they become available :D

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The drastic changes have been made, however there are many changes to things that still can be made to help the game improve. The points I directed at were the major points MMO players look for.

"how involved is the combat system and how busy will it keep me" - Fun but can be improved

"How much content can I do with a full raid group or a smaller number of people" - this is a huge one

"How much PvP is there if any and can i get stuff for doing it" - A strong MMO selling point

"How much leveling can I do solo and how long will it take" - its faster to level with leaves as is then some MMOs(so long as you don't abyssea cheat), I personally have np with it, but it could be quicker.

How much can I do with only 1-2 hours - this is also a rather large one for the casual gamers

These are all points that people look at when they chose an MMO and there are so many more.