Why we have to rethink the way we allow Limited jobs

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

my nitpick with that is that "what a nightmare it is to make that thing work in the first place without completely breaking the game" is entirely on the devs/design team to decide. they could just as easily have taken the class in a different direction regarding available skills, skill balancing, playstyle, etc without breaking from the blue mage brand (because every final fantasy and FF-adjacent changes up how BLU worked in some way or another), and could just as easily have been pared down to something actually fitting and functional within the system and lore (an eorzean blue mage, rather than the OG blue mage reference/callback design they went with).

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Sure they could've made it a normal functional job but then we'd simply be getting different complaints because people are quite obviously invested in "their" version of what blue mage should be, more invested than any other of the jobs from what I've seen. That's why I think they should've just kept their hands off the thing in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The biggest issue with BLU (IMHO) is the whole "They are unbalanced" has been totally thrown out the window.

Most major bosses are immune to their most unbalanced spells resulting in the job being nothing more that 20 separate copies of the same 220 potency spell with varying effects of cone, line, aoe, etc.

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That's the weird thing. When they made BLU a limited job that can't be played in current max level content I assumed they'd make it as overpowered as you'd expect from blue mage...but they didn't. Considering what it's supposed to be it's rather weak, as if they're trying to balance a job whose very core design is unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

SE basically shot themselves in the foot by releasing it at all. With the way this game functions they were never able to satisfy everyone with this job in the first place, they should've just kept BLU out of the game entirely.

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That's simply...absurd...

They don't need to satisfy everyone to release a feature/content.

My feedback is that they should never ever again add limited jobs, it's a huge waste of resources.
If they want a "carnival" let us go on any job and artificially cast these actions with 1 general casting animation. You don't have to create a whole job just to cast spells in a mini-game arena.

Regardless of the reasons one will use to defend Blue Mage, or the reasons why you think Blue Mage sucks, more than anything I find that the fact that this will now be an eternal endless topic is proof enough that Limited Jobs were a severe mistake and a failure of design. Sure, if they made BLU a real, functional job, some people might be angry, but would it really be as much as are now angry over its current state? Hmm, I don't know about that one, chief. I might see threads about how Summoner is not a Summoner once every blue moon, but man, where are all those threads on Red Mage, when people said the same thing about RDM. Or do the threads on Raise taxes and damage count? Unlike those two real jobs, however, the devs took this half-ass path that ironically would require them to put even more work in than if they just had plopped down a real job that could actually play the game, and forgotten about it except for when new expansions come around like every other actual job. Since they still managed to half ass that, too, they pissed off people from all sides. Are there people who like Blue Mage as it currently is? Yeah, but even people who wanted the all-powerfully gimped, solo only Blue Mage Yoshi-P spent several solid minutes explaining was the only way they could implement the job for some reason...most assuredly did not get it. I personally did want a Blue Mage in the game even if I wouldn't have made it my main job, and I was always a big proponent for more interesting solo content, hell the Masked Carnivale was made personalized for someone like me....

But it's terrible, and so is the fact that you can only engage with it on a crappy meme job. In my opinion, jobs should not be content, they are the means by which we experience content. When all those people saw that Blue Mage trailer, they weren't thinking "Oh cool, I get to do the Blue Mage content!" they were thinking "Hell yeah, I can do content as a Blue Mage now!" If this is their path for future Limited Jobs, then just don't. As someone else said, this has actually negatively impacted my enjoyment of the game on a permanent level, as now I fear to even hope for future jobs added as there is a non-zero chance of them being added as a Limited Job, which is a fate worse than just not being added at all.

Limited jobs are a good idea for a big game dev studio. Square enix's FFXIV development team can barely keep up with the basic patches.

Not to mention the possibility that there is a "cap" on full-fledged jobs

I am confused about the conception / implementation of blue. FFXIV is the only FF I've played, so I didn't have a previous idea of the job. I thought it would be a solo journey to entertain myself during "dead times" or when I didn't feel like doing the usual things (I have all battle jobs at 80 after two years playing). But no, a majority of spells are gated behind dungeons, trials and raids that you can't solo, so you need to spend an inordinate amount of time waiting for a party finder to fill up... And then it's more a struggle than proper fun, since we find ourselves being rather weak in those instances... Mind you, I've only just reached 50, maybe things get smoother and more strategic/fun later on? In any case, I am disappointed by the fact that it's not at all a solo job; I would have really enjoyed that. But as far as I see, is neither solo not group friendly. A pity... And not easy to understand what their goal was with bringing it into the game, at least for me. Sure, I'll go on trying to get new spells when I can find the time and the wish, but... Yeah.

I'm hoping that the fact 70 - 80 had no real Job Quests means that Blue Mage will have a 20 level increase in its next patch.

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Originally Posted by Oichi

I am confused about the conception / implementation of blue. FFXIV is the only FF I've played, so I didn't have a previous idea of the job. I thought it would be a solo journey to entertain myself during "dead times" or when I didn't feel like doing the usual things (I have all battle jobs at 80 after two years playing). But no, a majority of spells are gated behind dungeons, trials and raids that you can't solo, so you need to spend an inordinate amount of time waiting for a party finder to fill up... And then it's more a struggle than proper fun, since we find ourselves being rather weak in those instances... Mind you, I've only just reached 50, maybe things get smoother and more strategic/fun later on? In any case, I am disappointed by the fact that it's not at all a solo job; I would have really enjoyed that. But as far as I see, is neither solo not group friendly. A pity... And not easy to understand what their goal was with bringing it into the game, at least for me. Sure, I'll go on trying to get new spells when I can find the time and the wish, but... Yeah.

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BLU feels a lot better at 60 than it does at 50, and the Primal spells really help a lot with that. Missile as well.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

BLU feels a lot better at 60 than it does at 50, and the Primal spells really help a lot with that. Missile as well.

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Thank you, that gives me hope :)

I would love Beastmaster to be a normal job. Would quit healing and just play that ^.^