Dungeon Finder WHY NOT-

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

"We can't know what the future holds unless we step forward" ;) It can go both ways.

I don't really know how I feel about it (so I'll refrain from voting). On the other hand, I'm sure this wouldn't make me stop interacting with my LS mates and friends, nor will it make me stop interacting with strangers on my own server.

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I know what the future holds- because war of world craft already destroyed the social aspect in the game --- from level 1+ you never interact and almost never meet new players until you are in your last level- If you meet a person your bond is very weak- compare to other mmo-- hence this is why I bring this thread back up!

............................ New players will not want to party?

Are we making up eventualities now? I fail to see the logic in that one, as it's worded it will allow people to look for others in other servers, the grouping mechanic is still there and kicking. Either way you have to group up eventually, if you can do it with friends or an LS, good for you but if not then you have the other option.

I doubt it will render regular grouping null. Sheez. There's a big difference between content finding and putting up your flag and AFK waiting for the /tell to ding? There's always going to be people like that IN your server OR cross server....

edit: I played WoW before the group finder was implemented and in my humble opinion that community was destroyed looooooooong before the dungeon finder ever came in. I never could play that game long because the feeling of playing with others was dead, again that was before the finder.

you forgot a TON of ones :P

like uhhh "gear swapping" which is this week

I think content finder was two weeks ago...this guy just missed the boat....


course we have our weekly anima one......and so on lol

funny thing is all these things the Devs already talked about and we already know what they are going to do.....I guess some ppl just don't like it and see how like....world merger was changed through b*tching and they hope this will change through b*itching :)

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Originally Posted by Cendres

............................ New players will not want to party?

Are we making up eventualities now? I fail to see the logic in that one, as it's worded it will allow people to look for others in other servers, the grouping mechanic is still there and kicking. Either way you have to group up eventually, if you can do it with friends or an LS, good for you but if not then you have the other option.

I doubt it will render regular grouping null. Sheez. There's a big difference between content finding and putting up your flag and AFK waiting for the /tell to ding? There's always going to be people like that IN your server OR cross server....

edit: I played WoW before the group finder was implemented and in my humble opinion that community was destroyed looooooooong before the dungeon finder ever came in. I never could play that game long because the feeling of playing with others was dead, again that was before the finder.

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I probably did not make sense but I mean- New player's won't be able to make parties because-

Player b Will automatically log in and search for a dungeon using that system- AFK MODE until party is matched up-
while player A will not party with New players since he is new*

hence new player's will not party with anyone and end up using the system to search a party- and will eventually run into players THEY will never meet again---- Hence will never make friends in own server or nearly Almost never make any in same server----- this loses the aspect of the server social part----- then he will quit because this turns into a single man game cuz he doesnt know anyone except players from other server witch he will probably most likely never run into them again.

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Originally Posted by JakeRoon

you forgot a TON of ones :P

like uhhh "gear swapping" which is this week

I think content finder was two weeks ago...this guy just missed the boat....


course we have our weekly anima one......and so on lol

funny thing is all these things the Devs already talked about and we already know what they are going to do.....I guess some ppl just don't like it and see how like....world merger was changed through b*tching and they hope this will change through b*itching :)

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I'am not bitching i'am pointing out the reason why content finder is a bad idea- although a great idea on the same time-

Instead of theorizing, I'll recount the actual effects of cross-server interaction as it happened in WoW.

We had a fantastic community on the WoW EU Vashj server. There was lots of friendly rivalry, everyone knew everyone and people actually tried to their best to triumph because they had a sense of pride in their community. Then we got cross-server battlegrounds and the transformation of the server was as rapid as it was dramatic: Suddenly you rarely saw familiar faces on the battleground, suddenly there would be bots, and suddenly people would intentionally lose a tough looking match to get another one started sooner. There was a complete morale collapse in both factions. But hey, our queue times vanished! I didn't have to wait but now there was nothing worth waiting for, either.

The old rivalries eventually faded as it became increasingly difficult to face your old enemies in battle. People started losing touch with the server community as a whole and EU Vashj fell into a slump. All the top guilds broke down and the players scattered to other servers, searching for new top guilds.

These were just the effects of cross-realm battlegrounds. Once the Dungeon Finder was introduced, people stopped socializing altogether and withdrew to their guild cliques. Those who had no guild large and strong enough to support their grouping needs had to resort to mixed server groups that rarely spoke, at least not in a positive tone (why bother when you'll never see the other guys again?), and where you'd easily get away with bad behaviour. The largest MMO in history was transformed into something more closely resembling Diablo, Guild Wars or Phantasy Star Online, except with gameplay less suited for it.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Seems like its the same theme every week.

I wish the moderators would kick some ass and ban some people who make threads about the same issue, these forums are getting worse by the day.

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Who would they ban, nobody is breaking the forum rules that I know of.

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Originally Posted by Frein

Instead of theorizing, I'll recount the actual effects of cross-server interaction as it happened in WoW.

We had a fantastic community on the WoW EU Vashj server...... TLDR.

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Your points are invalid as...this is not WoW, and we are not talking about PvP .....you are off topic by like +2

I am sorry cross server pvp killed your WoW community, but the insight you gained from that experience is only mildly applicable to this instance....

PPSO was a completely instanced game, again don't apply here....BUT you are assuming that PPSO and guild wars and diablo had bad commnities, and they don't /didn't...I made many friends in all those games ^^

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Who would they ban, nobody is breaking the forum rules that I know of.

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They could at least close threads that have been started over and over and refer people to ONE thread. They do this on the Bioware forums.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

They could at least close threads that have been started over and over and refer people to ONE thread. They do this on the Bioware forums.

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Lets be realistic we are second at best to the JP forum where they do, do that. The attention that we receive from mods is laughable.