Sleeve Draw feels horrible now

I am very unhappy with the sleevedraw change. If you use your first draw card on pull you can only acquire the seal if you use the card right before your second global comes up. If you use it immediately after your first malefic you will lose the seal. This is extremely hurtful to astro now because only have access to 3 cards on pull means you can not make a mistake with any of them or you will lose divination. Sleeve draw needs to be at a minimum 2 cards to alleviate this problem.

Additionally it just felt better to have 3 cards to play with instead of 1. The amount of lord/lady cards we use now has been nerfed a bit and our card deployment over the course of an encounter was significantly nerfed with this change. I would rather have the previous version of astro, MP problems and all, if it meant that sleeve draw went back to the way it was before because a majority of the time you could 3 seal divination anyways.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Legit question, is the carpal tunnel, RSI complaints a meme I missed or genuine concern people have?

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A legitimate concern. When I started playing AST at lv 70 and had to play with the opener I was busy trying to multi task figuring out who should get what card and what seal it is in the fraction of the second. Having 3 cards means looking back and forth between the card I drew + the party list to see who should get the seal. If someone delays divination or delays sleeve draw with redraw, it becomes worse because they are no longer focusing on the encounter itself and dodging mechanics. This is especially true for fights you don't know. Once you get used to it however, it becomes less problematic, but you can still have people easily tunnel vision if they haven't practiced with their opener.

It was a galaxy brain opener which had you change and react accordingly on the fly - and while I do personally enjoyed that, 3 cards can also be very overbearing at the beginning.

The MP changes were well needed for most of casual play (where death becomes unrecoverable at mana intensive plays) so I'm glad the MP changes happened. I don't have to worry about making a specific gear solely for AST with piety concerns. The reduction in mp cost across the board though means you should never use benefic ever unless you queue up in low level content.

The reduction of cards hurt a lot more than it should because if AST a messes up with their divination slightly by playing a card too early, then they no longer can start divination on their opener and pushes everything off by 2 minutes or they'll drift with everyone's openers. Although sleeve draw being one card removes carpal tunneling, making sleeve draw 1 card also brings the problem of death - from what I recall, as seals are not saved on death you lose all seals - and sleeve draw being 1 seal doesn't help you bounce back to get divination back on time.

I do understand why they changed it though - less piety means more DPS for those not at the very optimized min-piety set, which would increase AST's DPS a bit more than normal. It also means you can run AST in DF without worrying about running out of mana from min-piety set or have to worry that 1 death means you're completely useless to heal.

Well the problem now in a balanced meele range group is that if you don’t draw as the 2 card a range card when you had a meele card or vice versa, sleeve draw can give you a 3 meele or ranged card. So you you are forced too sometimes fish for that card in your opener and use light speed for that.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Draw currently already has a 30 second recast.

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Then I derped. I'll blame this heatwave messing with my head, it's what I've blamed all my mistakes in the last 3 days on :P

Yoshi P said to test out the new AST changes before making a judgement and I've done just that.
Did the story trial with some tank who constantly insta-pulled after each wipe.

I'll say this now, the rotten feeling of having to delay Divination now because of one person's selfishness is horrible. Before the change I could sleeve draw and it was okay to a degree, but now it delays a PARTY BUFF by almost 30seconds!

AST is my favourite class and the one that turned me over to healing in the first place. It was busy with lots to think about in small bursts. But this new change which can easily cripple a party buff is not fun in the slightest. I won't be playing AST again in content that's not a pre-formed farming/weekly clear group now. Without the assurance that I can be given the ability to set up my divination, the class isn't fun to play anymore.

If the reason for the change was controller players, then that's total BS. I'm a controller player. I use macros to card my DPS and lose very little, if any, uptime in my spells because of them. If maybe the new sleeve draw was revamped to a stack of 2 cards rather than just 1, then it would be a good compromise and help those stuck in the frustrating situation of selfish players insta-pulling bosses.

But a tl;dr: these new changes don't make AST fun anymore in DF. Guess I'll return to playing SCH in DF and save AST for weekly reclears only....

So glad the majority of other people think it's terrible too. Hopefully because of the backlash they'll fix it.

Another disgrunted AST here being unhappy with sleeve draw. I feel like they removed more of the card kit which is what made AST differ from the other healers. Thank you for the MP buff but at this point I feel like AST is becoming more and more close to WHM, minus WHM's arsenal of panic instant heals. I understand no major changes will come until 6.0 but I truly hope we get Royal Road back and skills that let us manipulate the cards' effects to a degree - just how it used to be pre ShB and not the RNG seals fishing game that is now with just one type of buff only.

this forum is literally the only place I've seen people complain about the ast changes. while I do fundamentally agree the recast could be adjusted to make it feel more reliable, my own experience has proven it to be quite smooth to use.

I find the change very interesting because it tells me that SE learned from the patch where they gave Malefic the cast time reduction, a patch that that gave AST a significant dps boost because they never had to clip at optimal play levels.

SE knew that addressing AST's mana issues would increase their personal dps due to them being able to slot less piety and more offensive stats, so they killed two birds with one stone and nerfed their rdps while also making the cards easier to use across the board.

TBH the only thing I can see being a helpful change would be to put Sleeve on 2 charges, that way you can Draw -> Sleeve -> Sleeve -> Divination in the opener. but even that seems to be pushing us back to the heavy apm SE is attempting to address.

I know this is a big nerf to Sleeve Draw but it was needed and I'm glad that the number of cards was reduced. I also like that it gives a seal that you don't have and think that it's a step in the right direction. What sucks is that the cooldown wasn't changed and now it's a 180s CD for 1 card. If it were 2 cards to give 2 unaquired seals I'd be happy with that. Or if it had it's CD reduced I'd also be happy with that.

I don't want it to go back to how it was but at the moment it's become an underwhelming skill and could still use some work.

Timing is awkward. The obvious solution seems to be to put it on 2 min cd and nerf something else.