Housing Market Demand Leading to Health Concerns

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Originally Posted by KayRadley

What's strange is that you don't simply play another game with better housing if that's so important to you. I can name you some titles, if they slip your mind. PSO2 comes to mind.

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So I'm not allowed to criticise a game and keep playing it? Well if that's the case basically most of the player population should leave.

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Originally Posted by KayRadley

If housing is that bloody important to you, why not go play one of those other games?

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Housing should be more available and fixes to it aren't something people should be afraid to ask for. Don't need to play another game if people enjoy this one and they want to see it improved in some areas. Better apartments, more wards, better rng timer, fix to FC abuse, adding workshops to GC are all things that the dev team could implement.

They would go a long way to making a lot of people happy.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

By acting like actual adults, perhaps?

The sub we pay is simply allowing us to play the game. Nothing more. That's how it's been and that's how it always will be. We can't really say "Well, I pay a sub, so they should do what I say they should" because that just doesn't match up.

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More like "we pay a sub, so SE should do what they say they'll do." The response to this outstanding issue, that has never NOT been brought up by players and described as a horrifying mistake, has been lackluster to say the least. As for your apartment argument, you're starting to sound like Emmet's speech from The Lego Movie:"
"Sure, they're smaller. It's true you can't do gardening. You're absolutely right, there's no outdoor options at all. Ya, you can't share the space with friends. Correct, there's no workshop either. Of course you have a point, the item cap is way smaller. Wait, where was I going with this?"

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Crude argument. Telling someone you don't know to see a therapist because you don't understand or care to understand their values. Not that I would say health should come second to gaming (that's what this forum, and others, is trying to change, after all), but some things are worth fighting for for some people. That's the core message that SE needs to better understand, for everyone's sake. We all have a little Icarus in us. It's hard not to try for a little extra happiness, despite the obvious dangers.

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What argument? And how is it 'crude' to tell someone I don't know personally to see a therapist? I've seen people end marriages over MMOs, people get addicted and obsessed. It's not difficult to see it. Seeing a therapist can help. I know you're not used to seeing people try to be helpful on the forums so you assumed it was 'crude', but seeking help is probably the best course of action when they're literally putting their health in danger. If you're willing to do that over a video game, you need to talk to a professional about it. It's not normal, it's not healthy.

Don't be so defensive. Unless you see yourself in this person and don't want to admit you also have a problem too, of course.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

What argument? And how is it 'crude' to tell someone I don't know personally to see a therapist? I've seen people end marriages over MMOs, people get addicted and obsessed. It's not difficult to see it. Seeing a therapist can help. I know you're not used to seeing people try to be helpful on the forums so you assumed it was 'crude', but seeking help is probably the best course of action when they're literally putting their health in danger. If you're willing to do that over a video game, you need to talk to a professional about it. It's not normal, it's not healthy.

Don't be so defensive. Unless you see yourself in this person and don't want to admit you also have a problem too, of course.

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Your very first suggestion was to see a therapist. What this means is that you not only deemed costly professional medical help the only likely cure for them (which is demeaning), but also assumed their personal lifestyle with just a paragraph. Keep such HELP to yourself.

I think it's a joke that people assume those with multiple houses are owned by bots. It's been said many times before but I'll reiterate it here.

Housing has MANY functions, you don't HAVE to decorate them. Some people just want them for airships and FC credits as allowed by the game systems. Additionally you can legally purchase multiple FCs to this day on one account. What people do with their plots is none of your business. All these people living rent free in your heads. Go get an apartment and be patient like the rest of us, while we wait for SE to address this.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Your very first suggestion was to see a therapist. What this means is that you not only deemed costly professional medical help the only likely cure for them (which is demeaning), but also assumed their personal lifestyle with just a paragraph. Keep such HELP to yourself.

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Lmao what. You need to stop projecting your own problems with therapy on everyone else. Lots of people do it and it can greatly help with mental and emotional problems that can lead to risking your own health over a video game. If it's really too expensive for the OP to do, there's lots of ways they can seek help, lots of communities have group meetings (that are free, by the way), whether irl or online, to help each other cope with things like this. To insist that I'm just being 'demeaning' or whatever is pretty dismissive. There's lots of ways for someone to help themselves or improve their own quality of life, and to refuse to do so, or to discourage someone from doing so, is way worse than suggesting someone try to get help.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Lmao what. You need to stop projecting your own problems with therapy on everyone else. Lots of people do it and it can greatly help with mental and emotional problems that can lead to risking your own health over a video game. If it's really too expensive for the OP to do, there's lots of ways they can seek help, lots of communities have group meetings (that are free, by the way), whether irl or online, to help each other cope with things like this. To insist that I'm just being 'demeaning' or whatever is pretty dismissive. There's lots of ways for someone to help themselves or improve their own quality of life, and to refuse to do so, or to discourage someone from doing so, is way worse than suggesting someone try to get help.

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That's better. But let's not forget, this isn't a forum about mental health, but about suggestions to improve the house buying system. That first post suggesting therapy was what was dismissive.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

That's better. But let's not forget, this isn't a forum about mental health, but about suggestions to improve the house buying system. That first post suggesting therapy was what was dismissive.

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"That's better"? Get the hell out of here with that patronizing crap. Nothing I said was dismissive, you just needed someone to police. "That's better", lmao, I elaborated because you got so triggered by me just saying 'therapy'.

If you needed clarification, when you get it, you say "oh alright, I understand better, thank you", not "that's better". You're acting like a parent chiding a kid. You're the one that needs to learn how to talk to people. You can start by not talking down to them. If you need me to elaborate again, I definitely can.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

What argument? And how is it 'crude' to tell someone I don't know personally to see a therapist? I've seen people end marriages over MMOs, people get addicted and obsessed. It's not difficult to see it. Seeing a therapist can help. I know you're not used to seeing people try to be helpful on the forums so you assumed it was 'crude', but seeking help is probably the best course of action when they're literally putting their health in danger. If you're willing to do that over a video game, you need to talk to a professional about it. It's not normal, it's not healthy.

Don't be so defensive. Unless you see yourself in this person and don't want to admit you also have a problem too, of course.

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There is something to be said about the sort of situations SE encourage vs something that is entirely a player's choice in what way they decide to engage in content.

There is a huge difference between camping a placard for several hours because the game is designed with an invisible random timer that has a duration of potentially several hours, and a player who spends the same amount of time doing a lot of dungeons.

The placard timer is entirely controlled by the devs, whereas the amount of dungeons a player does in the same amount of time is not something the devs specifically designed. Queuing for multiple dungeons is not an actual mechanic in of itself, but the placard timer is.

Multiple dungeons is player controlled because that is based on how quickly they do the content and how many times they choose to repeat it. Players have zero control over how long a placard timer is. The only thing they can control is whether or not they interact with the placard.

You don't often see normal players (and by this I mean not gil farming accounts with the intent of selling gil) botting dungeons because engaging in that content isn't improved by botting due to the nature of what the content demands from players. Bots are never as good at dungeon content as actual players. However botting is common with the placard timer because it vastly improves the experience of interacting with that mechanic. Literally the placard mechanic is so bad that the best way to deal with it is to get something else to do it for you.

So yea you can harp about therapists all you like, it doesn't change that SE have directly encouraged the behaviour that is camping at a placard for potentially several hours.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Housing should be more available and fixes to it aren't something people should be afraid to ask for. Don't need to play another game if people enjoy this one and they want to see it improved in some areas.

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There is a lot I enjoy outside of housing, and these are the things that got me hooked on the game in the first place. I didn't even think about housing until quite a while after I hit max lvl way back in HW. If housing was pretty much my only focus in the game then yea I'd have probably brought my money elsewhere. But it's not. I enjoy many types of content this game offers, so I'm still here.

As for my opinions on housing is can be summed up as: I find the system for acquisition of houses, house hoarders, and the limited amount of plots to be awful, but the act of actually doing housing content such as furnishing is a lot of fun. I don't hate absolutely everything about housing.