ADD GLAMOUR EFFECTS SETTINGS

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Would it really be immersive to see everyone wearing the exact same thing though? Especially if those outfits were the supposedly unique Artifact sets. Likewise, if it simply turned off our existing glamour, you'd have a complete mismatched mess.

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I'm not really advocating the feature, rather the right to request it. I wouldn't mind it defaulting to AF gear, we already see so much duplicate glamour anyway with tomestone gear etc. Again, it would be an option, some people might prefer that, particularly in battle instances, and its about giving people more freedom and choice.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I suppose I'm a bit... indifferent? I don't think the devs should be wasting resources on a feature like this since I suspect it would take considerable time for them to essentially make an option for every outfit in the game to have an AF option.

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I doubt it would need to check every outfit uniquely, rather have a stand-in depending on what job the player is. Gear already checks the players job, so I don't see it as much of a stretch. As for whether its worth it or not, we already have options for visual alerts, colourblind options, tonnes of additions to performance and Gpose, things that take resources and are for a very niche audience. Hell, I imagine more people would use this feature than clear Ultimate. I guess its that age old argument of "Just because you won't use it doesn't make it a waste of resources".

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I doubt it would need to check every outfit uniquely, rather have a stand-in depending on what job the player is. Gear already checks the players job, so I don't see it as much of a stretch. As for whether its worth it or not, we already have options for visual alerts, colourblind options, tonnes of additions to performance and Gpose, things that take resources and are for a very niche audience. Hell, I imagine more people would use this feature than clear Ultimate. I guess its that age old argument of "Just because you won't use it doesn't make it a waste of resources".

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That isn't a fair comparison seeing Ultimate reuses assets already in the game. TEA is the first time they ever did anything new, and considering the massive attention Ultimate garners. One could argue they're putting some of the revenue gained from Ultimate back into Ultimate. I'd also call it something of a reach to say more people would even use this feature than those clearing Ultimate. Glamour is huge in this game. I highly doubt many people are going to be keen on a feature that essentially removes it. I mean, look at other niche activities. Perform isn't exactly setting the world on fire, and PvP mounts are often more rare than the Ultimate titles.

Play on PC. Pick your mod. Problem solved.

This whole discussion is just stupid. My characters looks just how I want them to look like and I don't want them look differently to other people. It's my decision and mine alone. You should see them how I want you to see them and you shouldn't be able to change my hair, glamour or whatever just because you don't like it.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You'll have to break this down for me, how are they making you adhere to their standard? You can still wear whatever you like and enjoy your glamour, nobody is asking you to stop doing that. Players who don't use the immersive option would still be able to see and enjoy your glamour along with you, and your feelings wouldn't be hurt just because some guy you don't know, using a feature you don't know he is using, has made the world a little more immersive for himself.

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If they feel compelled to change my glamour—even if it is only client-side—I clearly wasn’t dressing to their standards and they made it so that I was. Clearly they don’t want others dressing in any ways other than what they deem “appropriate” if they want to go around changing what people wear. They could just, I don’t know, stop caring so much about what other people wear? It’s really not that big of a deal if Billy the Tank is in a bathing suit in your Amaurot run. You likely won’t ever see them again after that, so why does it matter that much?

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I can see many situations where this feature would be very useful, screenshots being a big one. Screenshots and glamour are two huge activities in FFXIV, and why should he not be able to request the ability to take more immersive screenshots?

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You are really reaching with the screenshot argument here. Most screenshots that people take are usually under a controlled situation—i.e., they already have a say in who and what appears in it, and they can even coordinate outfits to be “more immersive”/“more appropriate” to what they want in a shot. Unless you’re trying to say someone wants to actively take screenshots in the middle of a duty—and, at that point, who cares? You can’t expect everyone to just be wearing what you want them to wear. If you want “in-action” shots, coordinate them yourself with friends and set a dress code. Don’t expect it out of random people.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I'm not really advocating the feature, rather the right to request it.

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I haven’t seen anyone say that someone cannot request the feature. The people replying in the thread are simply disagreeing with the concept of what’s being requested—which, they are well within their right to do so, as much as it’s within the right of the OP to ask for the feature.

it really hypocritical of all of u to talk about freedom to glamour how u want when u deny their own freedom of opinion and decision.
you are all "i will dress however i want and now you will look at me,LOOK AT ME AND U CANT TURN AWAY" fine u want freedom and wish to express how u want in game and dress how u want but the same freedom need to be done to those who are bothered by those glamours and should have the option to look away and doing it client side will only affect them meaning their own perspective.
nobody is taking your avatar ,plays barbi with it and make you wear what he decided and u are stuck with that,they simply filter their own view and nobody else.
this is more being an egoist and sort of diva then actually advocating freedom and especially freedom to self expression.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I can see many situations where this feature would be very useful, screenshots being a big one. Screenshots and glamour are two huge activities in FFXIV, and why should he not be able to request the ability to take more immersive screenshots?

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Gpose now has this great filtering feature that lets you switch off other NPCs altogether if you want to take a screenshot without other people in it.

(And no, before you try to argue it, I don't see that as disrespectful because you're not doing something to how the character is displayed. It's the difference between Photoshopping a random person out of your photograph, and leaving them in but altering their appearance.)

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Did you miss the part where this is client side? You think your right to dictate other peoples play experiences extends to their own client? If this were something that meant you couldn't glamour the way you wanted, or somehow impeding you from dressing how you want on your client you would be absolutely right. But this doesn't affect your play experience at all, and you seem really insecure about what is essentially some pixels in someone else's videogame.

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I don't see it as "someone else's videogame" though. It's a shared game which we are both playing with our own characters.

"Did you miss the part" where I said it's irrelevant to me whether it's client-side or not, because it's still affecting my character?

I won't "dictate other people's play experiences" as a whole, but this is about having control over my [representation in the game] and how they appear.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Offhand note: You know I can already mess about with your character without your permission using GPose right? And you'll never know if someone is doing just that when you are standing in Eulmore.

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And I would consider that rude.

Call me old-fashioned, but when dealing with other people's characters I apply the same social rules would in real life. They're not just "game characters", they're people - each one is being piloted by a real person and acting as their window into the game world.

Respect personal space, look at people when you talk to them, wave to greet or farewell. Thank them when you've played together.

Respecting what they choose to wear is a logical extension of that. People aren't going to dress according to my personal taste in the real world (not that I'd want them to), so why expect them to here?

Am I taking this too seriously? Maybe, but it's how I approach and make sense of this game socially.

I cannot say "it's just a game and the other people's opinions don't matter". It's not how my mind works. To do so would feel wrong - and it's not something I want to train myself to think, because the idea of that is also wrong.

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I think at the core of this, though I hadn't quite placed the logic until now, is that it's about putting yourself first vs others first.

Ignore the third-person framing of "respect their right to not see things they don't like". Phrase both in first person.

"I don't like this costume but I'll ignore it because the other person wants to dress like that and it's none of my business." The other person is considered above your own preferences.

"I don't want to see this, so I should be able to change how your character appears whether you agree to it or not." You are more important and the other person's choice doesn't matter.

Putting yourself first is not respect.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

it really hypocritical of all of u to talk about freedom to glamour how u want when u deny their own freedom of opinion and decision.
you are all "i will dress however i want and now you will look at me,LOOK AT ME AND U CANT TURN AWAY" fine u want freedom and wish to express how u want in game and dress how u want but the same freedom need to be done to those who are bothered by those glamours and should have the option to look away and doing it client side will only affect them meaning their own perspective.
nobody is taking your avatar ,plays barbi with it and make you wear what he decided and u are stuck with that,they simply filter their own view and nobody else.
this is more being an egoist and sort of diva then actually advocating freedom and especially freedom to self expression.

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Honestly, this post is more “being a diva” than any of the other posts in this thread, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

it really hypocritical of all of u to talk about freedom to glamour how u want when u deny their own freedom of opinion and decision.
you are all "i will dress however i want and now you will look at me,LOOK AT ME AND U CANT TURN AWAY" fine u want freedom and wish to express how u want in game and dress how u want but the same freedom need to be done to those who are bothered by those glamours and should have the option to look away and doing it client side will only affect them meaning their own perspective.
nobody is taking your avatar ,plays barbi with it and make you wear what he decided and u are stuck with that,they simply filter their own view and nobody else.
this is more being an egoist and sort of diva then actually advocating freedom and especially freedom to self expression.

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One could make the argument that you're being far more egotistical in wanting to remove a glamour someone may be proud of, be it sl*tty, bad*ss, cool, comfy, or what have you, just because you don't want to see a gimmick tank in a bikini. One could also make the argument that you're being more of a drama diva by posting such a dismissive and condescending reply. You have a very warped idea of freedom of self expression when your entire idea of helping that is to remove other's ability to do. People, not all, but a very large number, base their characters, both in RP and how they socialize, based on bow they look in game. Remove that, even as an option, and you lose that self-expression, and you're advocating this because some tank had a joke banana hammock on.

But no. WE'RE the divas for wanting to appear to the world how we want.

I am honestly in awe...

Somehow we got a glamour thread that has turned into the entire real world debate about women being allowed/able to wear whatever they want and not be targeted/attacked by men or judged. Literally!

"I should be able to wear whatever glamour I want. It's my decision and not yours. If you don't like it, look away." = "I should be able to wear whatever clothing I want. It's my decision and not yours. If you don't like it, look away."

"I shouldn't have to look at your glamour because it's not 'immersive' or 'lore appropriate! I should have the option to turn it off no matter what you say or feel about it!" = "I don't want to see the 'immodest' things you wear! You must conform to my ideas of modesty and classy no matter what you say or feel about it!"

This was NOT what I was expecting to find on a glamour thread of all things lol!

Incidentally, I'm with the first group on this. I glam my character the way I do because that's who she is. I don't particularly care if you like it or not, and if you don't I'm not forcing you to stand there and stare at me. Kindly move along to scenery you like better. The game is full of it.