Can you plz finally do something about the Tank Stances?

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Originally Posted by Lexi

I feel like it should always be active unless you turn it off for whatever reason.

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Frankly, this would solve lots of problems. Instead of having a "tank stance", you could have all WS having an enmity modifier and having a stance that negates that modifier. It's far less dangerous to ping-pong aggro at the beginning than letting a DPS die because you forgot to turn your stance on.

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

Out of curiosity: Did anyone get reported for harrassment yet for forgetting to turn on tank stance and getting someone killed? ^^

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You seem to have a weird relationship with reporting...

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

No? Generally when this has happened in runs I've done it's generally been the following:

Non-tank - "Hey your tank stance isn't on."
Tank - "Oh thanks, yea I hate how it comes off when you get synced down."

Not actual words but generally how it goes.

Edit: I used generally way too much in this post.

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this happens in savage way more than I'd like to admit. I think if sprint can stay on between fates, so can tank stances.

The Stances are fine honestly, the issue is people agreeing and deciding who the Main tank is.
If someone forgets, just tell them they forgot to turn it off. If they are trolling, just kick them. Or one of my things is...ah, they wanna be main tank? Alright...and I just turn my stance off and let them have it. Im not gonna waste my time and brain cells fighting for aggro. Either Im Main Tank or you are.

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

I agree the stance is pointless unless you wanna troll someone in group content. Aggro Is broken in this game imo. Why have the option to turn it off? Better yet if I sync to lower level dungeon or fate as tank its understood I need the aggro so just have stance as a trait instead of a cooldown.
Really this is the only issue I have with tanking.

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What do you do in 8 man fights when there's 2 tanks and you don't want enmity to pingpong between the two? You need a way to ensure enmity is only on one of the tanks and you achieve this through tank stance on vs tank stance off and you enhance this further with Shirk/Provoke.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Frankly, this would solve lots of problems. Instead of having a "tank stance", you could have all WS having an enmity modifier and having a stance that negates that modifier. It's far less dangerous to ping-pong aggro at the beginning than letting a DPS die because you forgot to turn your stance on.

You seem to have a weird relationship with reporting...

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Then you'd have the inverse problem of offtanks forgetting to turn on their enmity-suppressing stance and pulling enmity when they shouldn't.

The stance exists to make tank-swaps easier, and it's probably the most elegant solution I've ever seen to the problem. The only issue is, there are so sooooooooooo few fights that give the other tank things to do, much less involve a tank swap. If there were more tank-related mechanics and people had to tank-swap more, they would probably sing a different tune about the stance.

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Originally Posted by Lexi

I never really understood why there was a stance to begin with but I don’t really tank. I feel like it should always be active unless you turn it off for whatever reason.

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MT and OT are a thing.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Then you'd have the inverse problem of offtanks forgetting to turn on their enmity-suppressing stance and pulling enmity when they shouldn't.

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Maybe they'll pull enmity at the very beginning if they have a stronger opener, but it won't last long, and it won't automatically end in a DPS dying.

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

The stance exists to make tank-swaps easier, and it's probably the most elegant solution I've ever seen to the problem. The only issue is, there are so sooooooooooo few fights that give the other tank things to do, much less involve a tank swap. If there were more tank-related mechanics and people had to tank-swap more, they would probably sing a different tune about the stance.

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Tank stance is useful to hold enmity with or without tank swap. Provoke and shirk are what make tank swaps easier.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

That solution would also work. For the why i think its the same reason like in other mmos. When you are in a raid where you have one main tank and the others are not needed all time its a good solution to avoid aggro stealing. So the boss can focus on the main and dont switch between all the tanks the whole time.

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The unfortunate thing is, even though there's supposed to be an MT (meaning singular) I've encountered people in 24 man raids provoking at every available opportunity. If it happens enough though then I simply let them have it, it's not worth fighting over. Or if a dps is pulling every boss I tend to let them take increasing amounts of damage until they get the message before I take it back. It's just annoying is all. Anymore I stop to see if another tank is going to rush in to tank. Most of the time that is exactly what happens. I won't be responsible for starting a tank war.