RDM is back to its feet. BLM is still strong as hell.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Somebody missed the 5.05 patch notes.

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i am aware of 5.05 Patch Notes :P, but im also aware the Spam Verraise is no where near as strong as it was in SB.

4k mana swallow? Lmfao

It costs 2.4k. RDM now can verraise several times in quick succession, they'll feel it but they're not locked to 2. Are you thinking of pre 5.05 RDM where that was true?

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Originally Posted by Drayos

Someone missed the fact verraise mana costs weren’t reduced lol.

With or without spell costs. Verraise is like 4K mana a pop, on a 10k max. They reduced our combat spells mana. Not our utilities. Verraise still sits at the same mana consumption.

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The cost of verraise was never the problem. Its cost ratio is actually lower than it was in Stormblood. The problem was how expensive their other spells were. It bled them dry.

Verraise was 3% cheaper and everything else was 20% more expensive. 5.05 cut the costs by 20-30%. Red Mage no longer bleeds MP. They're back to having infinite again with lucid.

The reason I said they can raise 8 times and be fine on MP is because I've done just that. I did Eden 4 normal yesterday and raised 8 people and never ran out of MP.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Plenty of groups doing E4S are using a summoner as their caster.



It's no longer super tight on their MP. Red Mage can easily raise 8 times or more in a fight and never run out of MP now.

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u what? 8 times?

8x2400, on a 10k Mana Cap, without running out of HP. how Long of a Fight are u considering? here. ur talking 22k Mana Usuage in Rezzing Alone. either thats one Hella a Long fight, or ur Sacrificing DPS there.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

u what? 8 times?

8x2400, on a 10k Mana Cap, without running out of HP. how Long of a Fight are u considering? here. ur talking 22k Mana Usuage in Rezzing Alone. either thats one Hella a Long fight, or ur Sacrificing DPS there.

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You're not taking into account lucid. Lucid recovers more than we spend with 5.05.

Mp refresh per minute in addition to lucid dreaming give RDM about 1900 mp surplus per minute was the number I was quoted. You're too focused on the mp cap, and ignoring the mp refresh.

8*2400=19.2k btw.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

The cost of verraise was never the problem. Its cost ratio is actually lower than it was in Stormblood. The problem was how expensive their other spells were. It bled them dry.

Verraise was 3% cheaper and everything else was 20% more expensive. 5.05 cut the costs by 20-30%. Red Mage no longer bleeds MP. They're back to having infinite again with lucid.

The reason I said they can raise 8 times and be fine on MP is because I've done just that. I did Eden 4 normal yesterday and raised 8 people and never ran out of MP.

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I can Run myself Out of mana Quite easily :P its not infinite.

a Double Rezz = 8800/10,000 Mana, If u needed to Triple ur looking at 13,100/10,000 Mana, if ur in a Very long fight with 8 VERY spaced Out deaths, Yes i can understand. but Its not like in SB When u can Back to back Rezz like four times and Return to a Rotation like nothing happened. ur forgetting Our Cost of verraise dropped, but so did our mana Cap comparitively.

How on earth does two raises cost 8800 mp?

One verraise costs 2400 mp. Two is 4800. Three is 7200. Six is 14,400.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

How on earth does two raises cost 8800 mp?

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Oh wait, i've gotten the wrong number, i added More then i should on first.

iots 5800 MP with the Spells to proc Insta cast between. well i suspose if ur Using a Heal atleast, which if ur healers Dead u prolly would be.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I can Run myself Out of mana Quite easily :P its not infinite.

a Double Rezz = 8800/10,000 Mana, If u needed to Triple ur looking at 13,100/10,000 Mana, if ur in a Very long fight with 8 VERY spaced Out deaths, Yes i can understand. but Its not like in SB When u can Back to back Rezz like four times and Return to a Rotation like nothing happened. ur forgetting Our Cost of verraise dropped, but so did our mana Cap comparitively.

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It is pretty much infinite now. I did some testing. Red Mage can now last 6 minutes with a normal rotation before needing lucid. It takes 6 minutes to go from 10000 MP to not enough to cast a spell.