I don't like using flourish on dancer

I find it fun having to move between the ranged and melee attacks during Flourish phases. Like others have said generally you’re going to be in melee range of the boss anyway and when you aren’t it’s easy enough to En Avant towards to the enemy. I generally stay at the centre of the party anyway, so I can hit as many targets as I possible with Curing Waltz / Improvisation if they’re needed (depending on situation of course)

I can see problems with any group that has a caster and a Dancer, and ranged baiting (ie, UCoB, UWU, o11s, etc) is a thing. The dancer will either be forced to range, or the caster will be forced to do movement mechanics...and right now, no caster likes doing movement anything.

While yes it is physical ranged i still prefer to be closer to the front anyhow.
Dancer is very mobile it is not like you cannot go in closer and move out when you need to be closer to your Dance partner. I find just standing in a spot feels like does not flow as well so i like to move around
The distance is not great but also not as bad as some are making it sound. It would not hurt if they increase it some i suppose

Hard disagree, flourish is fine and fun.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

I can see problems with any group that has a caster and a Dancer, and ranged baiting (ie, UCoB, UWU, o11s, etc) is a thing. The dancer will either be forced to range, or the caster will be forced to do movement mechanics...and right now, no caster likes doing movement anything.

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Thats the point of having the job play so easily in rotation.
Of course this can be ignored with another p.ranged DPS, if not, then the DNC has to work out a way to maximize personal and raid DPS for those mechanics. (I dont play DNC myself, but when i did RDM, and had to get into position, for mechanics, and it was time for me to melee, i had to do work arounds. such as mana dumping, etc. idk what the DNC equivalent options would be. I havent even bothered looking into it.)

I like it. Makes DNC a bit more interesting having to be conscious of your range and movement.

The job is called dancer so dancing in and out just makes sense.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

I can see problems with any group that has a caster and a Dancer, and ranged baiting (ie, UCoB, UWU, o11s, etc) is a thing. The dancer will either be forced to range, or the caster will be forced to do movement mechanics...and right now, no caster likes doing movement anything.

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Originally Posted by MaraD_

Thats the point of having the job play so easily in rotation.
Of course this can be ignored with another p.ranged DPS, if not, then the DNC has to work out a way to maximize personal and raid DPS for those mechanics. (I dont play DNC myself, but when i did RDM, and had to get into position, for mechanics, and it was time for me to melee, i had to do work arounds. such as mana dumping, etc. idk what the DNC equivalent options would be. I havent even bothered looking into it.)

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Dncs should if they know they need to be mechanic baiting far away from the boss be using Bloodshower/Rising Windmill 1st during flourish, if flourish comes off cd while baiting then the 20s timer should be enough time to finish baiting and get these gcds off. Now i haven't tried Ultimates with Dnc so unsure on timings for those but o11s your not far off the boss long enough for this to be an issue.

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Originally Posted by Irohma

I enjoy that part =/. It make us move around more and it has an incentive. You can always just move away after spending these procs and return to throwing your chakrams. Also, when you use the Finishing dances you need to get close too, so it seems this flow of moving in and out is part of what it is be a dancer. Those who enjoy staying put in the distance have a lot of options (BLM, BRD and MCH).

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Also, you don't actually have to be *too* close to do finishes. It's a 15yalm around you. So it's more mid-range than up and personal with the boss. Don't have to be within melee range for it to actually hit.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Dncs should if they know they need to be mechanic baiting far away from the boss be using Bloodshower/Rising Windmill 1st during flourish, if flourish comes off cd while baiting then the 20s timer should be enough time to finish baiting and get these gcds off. Now i haven't tried Ultimates with Dnc so unsure on timings for those but o11s your not far off the boss long enough for this to be an issue.

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I'm considering UwU right now, and Flourish would be used in the opener for Ifrit, and then 60 seconds later, which would be right around when the second Eruptions are happening. However, it would probably be possible to squeeze them out before moving away, or holding them long enough to make it back to the boss where people stack for the dashes. I'd have to actually do it in practice, but I'm basing this off of where my BRD rotation usually was - I entered Army's Paeon during Hellfire, which would be around where a DNC would be able to Flourish again, and you can get a few GCDs off before having to disengage to bait. Third Eruptions (if you opt to hold and see them) won't be an issue as you'll sit on Flourish for your opener on Titan.

For Predation baiting, it's likely that it will still be on CD from the opener. By the time you circle back around to Ultima is likely when it would come off cooldown again, and you'll be stacking close to him up until the Plumes appear and you move back to bait Titan's Landslide. For Annihilation, I'd have to map out a bit more but I think it will also be fine. Flourish would line up with Chain, so it won't be used again until after the Annihilation tether funness and closer towards Suppression's cast. So I think, in UwU at least, Flourish will be easy to manage. I plan to clear it again on DNC, so we'll see if my Quick mental timelining is accurate.

UCoB would be tricker with Twintania if the DNC is to bait. The first Liquid Hells won't be an issue since it's on CD from the opener. It's the others that would probably take some finagling. I'll see what it's like when I go back into there as well.