What’s looking like the meta?

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Shake it off is better than divine veil even at base and while PLD also has passage of arms, based on Eden normal, it doesn’t look like there will be much chance to make use of that this raid tier.

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You do know that Diven Veil and Shake it Off work differently, not only in the sense that DV needs a healing spell to be proced, right?

I checked the english tooltips and they're not that clear on that matter as the german ones, but (unless those tooltips are wrong, I never tested it since I dont play warrior that much), the difference is as follows:

Diven Veil gives you a shield thats based on the max HP of the paladin using DV - so if the paladin has 110k HP everyone in the party will get a shield for 10% of that, so 11k.

Shake it Off on the other hand is based on the max HP of every individual target and gives them a 12% shield for their max HP (at base). That means if we have, lets say a BLM with 72k it lookes as follows:
Base Shake it Off: ~8640 shield
One CD (14%): ~10k
Two CDs (16%): 11.5k
Three CDs (18%): ~13k

Both the paladins and the BLMs HP are realistic at the current point and while its obviously not as easy to say since it always depends on individual HP, its pretty safe to say that DV is better than basic Shake it Off and maybe even than Shake it Off+one CD.

Meta=Not Astro.

Vidu is correct: divine veil applies a shield based on paladin hp while shake is based on each players hp. Hence why they boosted shake to a base of 12%. Passage of arms doesnt need to be just used when boss transitions to its big attack. I use it on any stack damage mechanic if i know there is no transitions. It also applies as soon as you hit it even before wing animation finishes.

It depends what kind of meta you are looking for. Meta for the fastest kill possible, meta for the fastest progress possible or meta for the highest parses possible.

Who cares? If your good at the game the meta doesn't matter.

I think the only real bad off classes are NIN and AST right now. As others have already said, the tanks are interchangeable and will all function rather well in savage content.

Even if they buff NIN and AST, I fear the damage has been done and it'll definitely affect their popularity come eden savage in a few days.

And this kind of thread is why I will never touch Savage or EX content.

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

And this kind of thread is why I will never touch Savage or EX content.

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It’s only a discussion, people will only really use meta for speed killing. Regular progression and clearing will honestly be any class because they are all capable of clearing.

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

And this kind of thread is why I will never touch Savage or EX content.

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Ah, then you dont quite understand how EX and Savage content works. Prejudices are a fine thing indeed.

It depends mostly on the player's levels but I think at cap (99%) any of the pure damage classes are better than the support classes. So you're looking at BLM, SAM, MNK, WHM as really strong contenders. In the current state of healers double WHM is the best comp but because shields are very convenient in prog I expect WHM/SCH to be meta.

Anything bellow 90% usually have inconsistent levels accross players, and because rDPS scales down better than pDPS it reduces the distance between the pure damage dealers and the support damage dealers, so anything pretty much goes and it depends a lot more on personal skill compared to others than actual classes.