Cause of ascian calamity and rejoining elemental

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

I get the feeling this was more an assumption we made based on info given to us. When they were marketing ShB, they said we would be preventing the 8th and final umbral calamity. The Ascians themselves make reference to a "final key", and we believed that to be a key to a prison... But in the end there was no mention of Zodiark suddenly appearing when the 8th calamity was over.

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True, and from what we're told of the dark future, it sounds like the planet is essentially dying - "death to the very soil" and all.

It's even possible Emet stuffed up and didn't realise quite how long-term catastrophic Black Rose would be. The Ascians' plans rely on building civilisations in which to sow chaos, and instead he killed the whole thing off.

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Originally Posted by Thanapat

1.what is cause of ascian civilzation calamity that nearly break world
Apart that make ascian created zodiark

Natural disaster meteor? Or fail experimental breakout

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If the history and trajectory of this game is any indication, my guess would be....

J-E-N-O-V-A

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Originally Posted by Iscah

True, and from what we're told of the dark future, it sounds like the planet is essentially dying - "death to the very soil" and all.

It's even possible Emet stuffed up and didn't realise quite how long-term catastrophic Black Rose would be. The Ascians' plans rely on building civilisations in which to sow chaos, and instead he killed the whole thing off.

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Yeah I may very likely be wrong about what I said, but yet this doesn't actually quite disprove the existence of Zodiark after the 8th calamity. We know the Ascians intend to sacrifice much of the life on the Source to Zodiark so that he can bring their brethren back. Its quite possible that the apocalyptic future is part of the process of sacrificing to Zodiark. It could also be a result of the war against Hydaelyn, which would be in full effect once Zodiark was free.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Yeah I may very likely be wrong about what I said, but yet this doesn't actually quite disprove the existence of Zodiark after the 8th calamity. We know the Ascians intend to sacrifice much of the life on the Source to Zodiark so that he can bring their brethren back. Its quite possible that the apocalyptic future is part of the process of sacrificing to Zodiark. It could also be a result of the war against Hydaelyn, which would be in full effect once Zodiark was free.

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Lives aren't being sacrificed in the dark future, they've been killed by the Black Rose. It's explained when Urianger describes his "vision" (ie. relaying the Exarch's account of history from what is still our future, but his past) in 'Unto the Truth' - the "passive polarity" aspect of the gas reacted with the influx of passive-aspected aether from the First, driving it to spread far beyond its initial use on the battlefield. Vast numbers of the population die, the ground is poisoned, and the survivors go to war over what little remains.

We don't know if the Ascians can "sacrifice" what's already dead, but I would assume not.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Lives aren't being sacrificed in the dark future, they've been killed by the Black Rose. It's explained when Urianger describes his "vision" (ie. relaying the Exarch's account of history from what is still our future, but his past) in 'Unto the Truth' - the "passive polarity" aspect of the gas reacted with the influx of passive-aspected aether from the First, driving it to spread far beyond its initial use on the battlefield. Vast numbers of the population die, the ground is poisoned, and the survivors go to war over what little remains.

We don't know if the Ascians can "sacrifice" what's already dead, but I would assume not.

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We also don't know *how* the Ascians sacrifice to Zodiark, we're only given glimpses of a few Amaurotians vanishing while in line at the DMV. It's very possible Zodiark doesn't care how the sacrifice perishes, just so long as their Aether goes to him - as that is what all Primals require, Aether. It should also be noted that the umbral polarity of the gas may very well just be turning the land to an inactive state, similar to that of the Empty, but not quite so extreme.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

We also don't know *how* the Ascians sacrifice to Zodiark, we're only given glimpses of a few Amaurotians vanishing while in line at the DMV. It's very possible Zodiark doesn't care how the sacrifice perishes, just so long as their Aether goes to him - as that is what all Primals require, Aether. It should also be noted that the umbral polarity of the gas may very well just be turning the land to an inactive state, similar to that of the Empty, but not quite so extreme.

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I'd assume it is something similar to how that one Ancient at the end of Akademia Anyder sacrifices his life energies to create Quetzacotl. Except instead of themselves theu use others.