About the final boss of the 5.0 MSQ

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Hijacking this thread with a different, related question: where does the final battle take place? Are we still in the fake Amaurot that Emet-Selch made? If so, where does that post-battle scene in which you can see the sun (underwater??) take place? Finally, why does fake Amaurot still exist after Emet-Selch kicks the bucket? My impression was that killing Emet-Selch dispelled the glamour that he cast on the ruins of Amaurot, which is why you see all those decayed buildings in the post-battle cutscene, but then you get back into the game and they're just fine. I understand the practical reason for letting it stay (not having to model two versions of the same location; letting players play in the nice looking version of the city), but what's the lore reason?

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Didn't all the battles take place inside that firey hall he invites you into? The buildings in there were pretty smashed up from the start, it was showing you the end days of Ascian civilization.

As for outside that building, in the overworld Amaurot. Well I got the impression the basic city underneath the illusion is real, Emet just put the lights on and made sure somebody was home.

Eventually the magic that sustains them will run dry, they will fade, and all that will be left is some very well preserved ruins at the bottom of the ocean. Of course, depending on how much Emet poured into making them that could take months/years/decades/maybe even centuries.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Hijacking this thread with a different, related question: where does the final battle take place? Are we still in the fake Amaurot that Emet-Selch made? If so, where does that post-battle scene in which you can see the sun (underwater??) take place? Finally, why does fake Amaurot still exist after Emet-Selch kicks the bucket? My impression was that killing Emet-Selch dispelled the glamour that he cast on the ruins of Amaurot, which is why you see all those decayed buildings in the post-battle cutscene, but then you get back into the game and they're just fine. I understand the practical reason for letting it stay (not having to model two versions of the same location; letting players play in the nice looking version of the city), but what's the lore reason?

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Well you see /10char

The enchantment over Amaurot will EVENTUALLY fade since Emet is gone....

It's just that the eventually will take place outside of the time bubble we operate in.

As for the Location of the Dying Gasp... yes it appears to be the actual ruins of Amaurot and the fact that the sun can be seen is well... put it up to rule of cool

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Originally Posted by polyphonica

They did kind of address this in one of the optional dialog sequences with Emet-Selch. Lahabrea was weakening himself by constantly moving between bodies, which is something that Emet-Selch tried very much to avoid. Igeyohrm (like Nabriales) was also one of the sundered Ascians rather than being one of the original three. Emet-Selch also identified himself as a powerful sorcerer, so it may be that he always had more raw power than Lahabrea did. We also see, in the final fight, that Emet-Selch appeared to be drawing power from the faith of other Ascians to summon himself to his final form. I take it that, having thus tested us so far, Emet-Selch realized he needed to bring it all to bear in that fight.

For Elidibus, we can infer that he was also weakened by occupying Zenos' body, but it also may be that as the Emissary, his skill was never necessarily strength to start with. If/when he reveals his final form I assume he'll still put up a good fight anyway, but that his current approach seems to be to pit us against other WoLs is perhaps telling.

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We've also since learned that Lahabrea is actually more of an academic than anything else. This would mean that both Lahabrea, who is a scholar, and Elidibus, who is an emissary, are both relatively unaccustomed to actual combat compared to Emet-Selch. It's not beyond belief that Emet-Selch may be the strongest of the trio.

This leads in to what will they do with Elidibus now? For now, he seems very content to just hang back and manipulate events to kill us by proxy, but if anything is for certain it's that we *will* eventually clash with Elidibus himself. But if he's weaker than Emet-Selch, what would be the threat? It's quite likely that if we ever do fight him, it'll be after he gets some sort of magic mcguffin to make himself stronger. Perhaps a blessing from Zodiark himself? Time will tell, I suppose.

I expect Elidibus may actually end up empowering Zenos, after settling their differences, or Elidibus figures out how to pull his strings.

Zenos seems intent on gaining as much power as possible to take us on directly.
Elidibus' closing comments were if we're now Warrior of Darkness, he'll kill us with a Warrior of Light.
What if he makes Zenos a Warrior of Light in some way?

Elidibus' comments there confuse me. What exactly is he going to achieve? When the WODs went after us we sorted that out. We're not LITERALLY warriors of darkness. I mean we used the blessing of LIGHT to fight the sin eaters, we beat Emet with LIGHT to nullify his darkness. We're warriors of Light in a folklore sense because we returned balance to the realm and restored the night, but we're not 'actually' warriors of darkness int he same way we 'are' warriors of light with the blessing of light.

Hm...power levels are kind of always a bit BS in my opinion, but the most logical explanation (as pointed out by other people) is probably the matter with Lahabrea burning too much of his power through changing bodies too frequently combined with a few other factors. Emet-Selch might have just been the most powerful of them magically too, and we did need the corrupted Light, Scions, and Champions from across the rift in order to win.

As for Elidibus calling on 'Warriors of Light', it's deliberately cryptic so it could mean just about anything lol. Maybe he'll find a way to marshal powerful Sin Eaters from across the First, maybe he'll trick heroes from other Shards into attacking us, maybe he'll try to turn the people of the First against our heroes, or maybe he'll do something totally different. Sky's the limit! I do really love the idea that he's getting desperate, frustrated, and terrified though. It kind of makes sense that he's terrified after so much has gone wrong. Not to mention being the last person of his entire civilization in the universe...

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Originally Posted by CaesarCV

Hm...power levels are kind of always a bit BS in my opinion, but the most logical explanation (as pointed out by other people) is probably the matter with Lahabrea burning too much of his power through changing bodies too frequently combined with a few other factors. Emet-Selch might have just been the most powerful of them magically too, and we did need the corrupted Light, Scions, and Champions from across the rift in order to win.

As for Elidibus calling on 'Warriors of Light', it's deliberately cryptic so it could mean just about anything lol. Maybe he'll find a way to marshal powerful Sin Eaters from across the First, maybe he'll trick heroes from other Shards into attacking us, maybe he'll try to turn the people of the First against our heroes, or maybe he'll do something totally different. Sky's the limit! I do really love the idea that he's getting desperate, frustrated, and terrified though. It kind of makes sense that he's terrified after so much has gone wrong. Not to mention being the last person of his entire civilization in the universe...

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My impression was that we didn't use the corrupted Light. Hades asks himself if the Wardens' Light had broken free after the QTE, immediately dismisses that, and then firmly establishes in multiple comments that it's "the Light that sundered all creation".

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Originally Posted by Daralii

My impression was that we didn't use the corrupted Light. Hades asks himself if the Wardens' Light had broken free after the QTE, immediately dismisses that, and then firmly establishes in multiple comments that it's "the Light that sundered all creation".

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Hm...Y'shtola mentioned how his darkness counteracted the corrupted light within us. I took this to mean we burned it off on him. Plus we usually have to get some kind of 'power up' before beating a big boss, and that one makes sense. Not to mention it's an ironic way to defeat him since it seemed like it would be our doom.

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Originally Posted by CaesarCV

Hm...Y'shtola mentioned how his darkness counteracted the corrupted light within us. I took this to mean we burned it off on him. Plus we usually have to get some kind of 'power up' before beating a big boss, and that one makes sense. Not to mention it's an ironic way to defeat him since it seemed like it would be our doom.

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It's just Y'shtola theory, and herself is far from being sure.
It could be that we purified and assimilated it, or that we neutralized it with our new power up gained from reuniting with Ardbert.

If you go back see Temulun after the MSQ, she said to us "The light within you shines as brightly as before. More brightly, even."

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Originally Posted by CaesarCV

Hm...Y'shtola mentioned how his darkness counteracted the corrupted light within us. I took this to mean we burned it off on him. Plus we usually have to get some kind of 'power up' before beating a big boss, and that one makes sense. Not to mention it's an ironic way to defeat him since it seemed like it would be our doom.

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Y'shtola was also speculating blindly(heh). Both Feo Ul and Ryne made note of how our soul was cracked and falling apart, and after the battle with Hades it was completely fine. If anything I'd guess that either the Blessing post-rejoining was strong enough to convert it to purified Light, or it got fed to Crystal Mom like Minfilia originally said she was going to do with the excess on the First.