1.21 Gathering Changes

Well, while I don't want to say outright that you must be mistaken, I have logged 40+ times with my aim at +1 in Iron Lake and not turned up any Mistletoe. I would normally log longer (and I will continue to a bit more even after posting this), but for you to claim that you ended up with "a lot" of Mistletoe, leads me to believe I would have seen it by now, especially while sitting at the aim sweet spot for Mistletoe. Plus, I did manage to get Sagolii Sage on several occasions even while so far from the sweet spot.

I also saw the yields from a few others that were also logging in Iron Lake, and when they were near me, I never saw a Mistletoe yield for them either.

Do you have a screenshot, or perhaps... could you have been in Treespeak on accident?

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Originally Posted by Raldo

I have logged 40+ times with my aim at +1 in Iron Lake and not turned up any Mistletoe.

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I remember it happening with Mistletoe, but I can't remember where. But it was there for Gathering Leves, but not there at other times. I should have kept track, but I noticed a discrepancy between the leves and trees at Cedarwood, Iron Lake, and another place. I think it was a place in the shroud with Yew Logs.

Oh, yeah the leve loot tables are all messed up, but I'm not going to bother mapping that out.

I could put a disclaimer on the spreadsheet or something stating as much, though.

I would love to see a rep response on why things that grow in the ground: Lavender, onions, carrots, etc are now dropping from trees.

Some logging nodes now have SIX potential drops with added nonsense that shouldn't be there while some harvesting nodes only have 3. If the point was to accommodate the new recipes, add new harvesting nodes or distribute over existing ones instead of loading down trees maybe? >.>;

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Originally Posted by Raldo

Oh, yeah the leve loot tables are all messed up, but I'm not going to bother mapping that out.

I could put a disclaimer on the spreadsheet or something stating as much, though.

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I am 100% sure it was iron lake. I think i was doing leves whilst i was there so this may be the reason. I will go there again and see what i stuff i can log and I'll get a screenshot whilst im there. Thanks everyone for thier responses and hopefully it was just because i was on leves.

Leves for iron lake still use the pre-patch loot tables.

Haven't done leves in other areas since the patch, so I don't know if they're all still using the old loot tables, but I would assume so.

Agree with the post about over burdening trees.

How about adding gardening as a way to produce vegetables and herbs, it could be a basic skill given to botanists.

the gardening system in 11 was amazingly detailed for those that took the time to master it, can only hope they add this with player housing.

well, I wouldn't say trees are really overburdened, if you look at the current loot list.
5-6 items:
Bearded Rock (Grade 1)
Black Brush (Grade 1)
Drybone (Grade 2)
Emerald Moss (Grade 2)

Only 4 areas have a loot list of 5-6 while the rest are 3-4, excluding catalyst. Gathering nodes need more variety in order to prevent one material being gained in to much surplus over another. if anything every area should have 5-6 items to mix it up. With the way gathering is atm, it's just way to easy to accumulate 3-4 stacks of a single item of any grade over the course of 2-3 hours. I mean ok you can say that 5-6 is really 10-12 because of +1, but at Grade 1/2 for someone who's just starting to play is that really an issue to their inventory load, at that lv the variety they obtain really doesn't effect as much as it would a higher lv.

I know this may sound unpopular, but for those who have seen the whole plot line this will be a spoiler for those who haven't done the class quest yet. Since the concept of a botanist isn't to chop down a tree but to gather the dead parts of the tree while leaving the living parts unharmed. What if they added "decayed" loot which could be traded in for some sort of blessing for cleaning up the environment. So like rather then just getting "this chop damaged the item" instead you start off with a 95/5 ratio of obtaining the item, so you cut the rosewood log and obtain it, after 10-20 cuts the ratio changes to 90/10, and it keeps going down as long as you are cutting for. At a certain point while you may succeed at cuts you'll receive a "decayed log" or "decayed branch" rather then the appropriate item. The quantity would always be one and there would be no +1 version of it.

Basically what could be done with these is you trade them to a sepcific NPC that gives you "Botanist Blessing" currency which can be used to effect your gathering yield.
Off the top of my head you could recieve the following blessings(only able to use one while hitting a certain "Botanist Blessing" overall cap will increase the amount of blessings you can have active.

Blessings could come in two forms, you have the potent instant blessings which take effect as soon as you purchase it, or the abilities which require a perpetual cost of MP but only provide 1/4 or 1/2 the strength of the instant ability.

Examples of this would be:
Instant "Golden Touch" Increase rate of HQ gathering by 25% Duration: 1hr
Ability "Golden Hands" Increases rate of HQ gathering by 5%
Instant "Steady Touch" Grants a 50% chance at +1 yield for all items Duration: 1hr
Ability "Steady Hand" Grants 15% chance at +1 yield for all items
Instant "Wood's Call" increases rate of obtaining wood based loot by 25%
Active "Wood's Desire" increases rate of obtaining wood based loot by 5%
Instant "Hunger's Call " increases rate of obtaining food based loot by 25%
Active "Hunger's Desire" increases rate of obtaining food based loot by 5%

The general idea is that creating decayed loot would decrease the amount of materials that would enter the market, but it would encourage gatherers to obtain them in order to obtain abilities that will improve their specified target when they want to gather items again.

As gatherers we should want larger loot list, sure we might want a specified item, but just because it's not something we want doesn't mean another person won't want to use it. The whole concept behind a gatherer is to obtain a large variety of items and then either use them ourselves or sell it on the MW to make gil. While we prolly won't see any truly major changes til 2.0 I do hope that with upcoming hamlet they will give us some interesting challenges when it comes to gathering for the sake or our grand companies lol.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Gathering nodes need more variety in order to prevent one material being gained in to much surplus over another.

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If SE really cared about this, they wouldn't have changed harvesting to begin with. It was fine just the way it was in the beginning. They are the ones who opened the floodgates on mats.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

If SE really cared about this, they wouldn't have changed harvesting to begin with. It was fine just the way it was in the beginning. They are the ones who opened the floodgates on mats.

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Yeah SE could care less, and I really dont even think its a problem. The more mats available the better, that means more crafting and more production. Sure gatherers make less money, but thats how it should be. Besides, HQ mats still sell for a lot.

The way I see, SE just made logging nodes like mining. Most mining nodes have 4-6 potential drops.