Devs, can Casters please have 6 role skills like the other roles?

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Also, Surecast having 120 sec cd is ridiculous given how fights that have knockbacks use them a hell of a lot more often than every 2 mins.

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now you will know how melees have felt >:), it won't be that bad most fight designs in SB haven't been too bad with the knockbacks it will just be timing which one you want to prevent so i would see it as an added layer of complexity :P

Welp. Can't really reply to all three pages worth of replies, but most of the points are fair. If you didn't use it before though, it won't matter if its here again in 5.0. If you did use it like me, we get to keep our skills. Sucks about Palisade for sure.

Ideally they could have reworked Erase/Apoc to serve a better purpose than to just delete them, but keeping them as is, in my eyes, is still better than deleting them, if only for the caster's gameplay. RDM especially has no button bloat going into SHB having lost 5 buttons (not including drain.) If it's an issue with button bloat with the other classes, BLM for example, with the most obvious choices, I don't see why they couldn't combine scathe and Xenoglossy, when its available and combine Leylines with Between the Lines, when its up for the first 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Throwing an Erase, Apoc, or Mana Shift when needed felt good because I was contributing to the party as a backup support, now I'll just watch and die on the inside :'C

Also, Surecast having 120 sec cd is ridiculous given how fights that have knockbacks use them a hell of a lot more often than every 2 mins.

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Muh Heart is broken too p-p </3

Realllyyy missing Apocastasis right now. Every tank buster in the EX, my brain "hears" that iconic Apoc animation noise. p.p </3

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I still don't understand why ranged got to keep Peloton, think it's literally the only role action left over that doesn't do anything during combat. Some could say it's iconic, well Protect just got removed so I think anything goes at this stage. Bloodbath (magic variant) could have been nice as.a Caster action as well seeing as Drain no longer exists....

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Protect probably got removed because it could be modified to be automatic. No need for an action that can just be replaced by tweaking defense values, and doing so makes it better for people just raised and for healers to not need to recast it.

I understand and glad that Tactician and Refresh are gone. Not so with Apocatastatis and Mana Shift. I used them on a regular basis and it's a great way for casters to contribute to the party. I would be totally fine if they brought them back but nerfed both to 10%. Healers would certainly be happy to have another 1000 MP transferred from caster party members.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

I understand and glad that Tactician and Refresh are gone. Not so with Apocatastatis and Mana Shift. I used them on a regular basis and it's a great way for casters to contribute to the party. I would be totally fine if they brought them back but nerfed both to 10%. Healers would certainly be happy to have another 1000 MP transferred from caster party members.

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TBH I'd be fine with letting manashift die, since refresh was also removed. SMN/RDM just don't have the mp economy to support it after all the mp cost increases and loss of Refresh from ranged, even with the buffed lucid, dying or two raises within 4 minutes can leave you changing your playstyle to accommodate your lack of mp.

BLM could handle it for sure though.