Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Not even this much. I only have LoTA unlocked (have not done it) but Alliance Roulette is still queueable. Can provide screenshots if anyone doesn't believe me :)

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Fair enough...I couldn't test it because I currently don't have an alt that can unlock those things.

Also, found where I remembered the information I mentioned above. Was pretty sure it was here on the forumns.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Fairly certain that Labyrinth pops so much in Alliance Raid roulette because you only need one raid to unlock the roulette, and LotA is the first 24-man you can come across in the game (last I checked—you could need two, but there again, second most common in Alliance Roulette is Syrcus Tower; and both make for easy roulettes for even easier EXP rewards)? I don’t think LotA popping more is due to a deliberate algorithm to make it pop more—it’s simply the one everyone has unlocked; and for those who won’t unlock more, your options are already extremely limited when you queue up for the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Exactly that. You can't roulette until you have at least two possibilities (eg. leveling roulette unlocks at Lv16 when you're eligible for both Sastasha and Tam-Tara) so everyone has to queue directly for Labyrinth when they first unlock it, then either directly queue for Syrcus Tower OR run the roulette for a 50% chance of either of those raids. Assuming they haven't already unlocked higher raids, anyway.

I'm at that point on an alt character. Did Labyrinth, unlocked Syrcus, ran the roulette instead of direct queuing, got Labyrinth for the second time in an hour. (And it very rudely dropped none of the Fuma gear for my ninja, except the eyepatch on both runs.)

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1.) it is indeed against the rules.
2.) i have not lied in any of my comments. they specifically told me a warning issued, and any further offenses will be punished.

3.) simply put, there's no reason why we shouldn't try to prevent this behavior. regardless of what people are thinking, calling me a liar or saying it isn't against the rules. the behavior should indeed be prevented.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

1.) it is indeed against the rules.
2.) i have not lied in any of my comments. they specifically told me a warning issued, and any further offenses will be punished.

3.) simply put, there's no reason why we shouldn't try to prevent this behavior. regardless of what people are thinking, calling me a liar or saying it isn't against the rules. the behavior should indeed be prevented.

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1. No it's not.

2. Is a lie because they will never *ever* tell you if someone has been disciplined. You claiming they did is a lie.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Fair enough...I couldn't test it because I currently don't have an alt that can unlock those things.

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Yeah I remembered it being mentioned in another thread but hadn't thought to check as I wasn't in game at the time. Since I am now though I decided to give a quick look-see and sure enough Alliance is unlocked even though I have never done any 24 man, only unlocked the first in ARR and HW.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

1. No it's not.

2. Is a lie because they will never *ever* tell you if someone has been disciplined. You claiming they did is a lie.

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it doesn't matter what anyone says, it will never change the response i received.

and, yes... it IS against the rules. just forget it... they may as well just ban me. people got to act all rude and profound. i didn't do anything wrong here, and was just trying to point out how people are abusing the Alliance Raid Roulette. it is wrong and is disruptive to other players. it should be stopped, that is all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Besides if there is content you need to do, don't rely on a roulette to give it to you.

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I might be in the wrong here, but isn't the main point of roulettes to ensure that new players are able to find parties for old content they need to clear? The main problem isn't that doing roulette doesn't give you the duty you want, it's that you could have a hard time finding a party for unpopular content even if you queue for it specifically.

Either way, I don't know how big of an issue it currently is and I don't think it matters whether it's against the ToS. If at some point, players become unable to clear content because everyone is cheating the duty finder, they'll fix it. Otherwise, I don't think they care.

I'll admit I didn't actually check whether the roulette was available when I only had Labyrinth unlocked, because I knew leveling roulette didn't unlock until you had two options, and that's logical. But perhaps the underlying rules just unlock the roulette at a designated level, and for leveling it's the Lv16 requirement that ensures you have at least two options before you can run it.

Another alliance raid can always be formed. Perhaps they should fix the problem at the root and lower the max ilv cap so that they wouldn't be the faceroll that they are currently.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

it doesn't matter what anyone says, it will never change the response i received.

and, yes... it IS against the rules. just forget it... they may as well just ban me. people got to act all rude and profound. i didn't do anything wrong here, and was just trying to point out how people are abusing the Alliance Raid Roulette. it is wrong and is disruptive to other players. it should be stopped, that is all there is to it.

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Do players not understanding mechanics or their job go against the ToS as being disruptive or obstruction? Cuz I'd love to see people try to report for that lol...

Also, the GM reports specifically tell you you will not get a response on the actions taken. If you did get a response, it was out of their usual procedures. You can always take a screenshot and post it for proof :p

It'd be very hard for someone still levelling up their alt classes if a strict minimum ilvl based on your highest class was involved.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'll admit I didn't actually check whether the roulette was available when I only had Labyrinth unlocked, because I knew leveling roulette didn't unlock until you had two options, and that's logical. But perhaps the underlying rules just unlock the roulette at a designated level, and for leveling it's the Lv16 requirement that ensures you have at least two options before you can run it.

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It was going to be either you needed two for it, or just the one. That's why I included your comment above.