Just relax and support the devs

Do not give developers excuses for bad decisions! Stop giving them slack for mistakes! This facilitates them for FUTURE mistakes because 'it was ok once'. 'they didn't seem to mind too much' As long as people defend them blindly, they will keep pushing the limits of what is and isn't acceptable. hold them ACCOUNTABLE when they pull this nonsense.

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Originally Posted by programcanaan

Be thankful be supportive! Unsubbing won't help them make your dreams come true.

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Game companies hear money more clearly than forum posts. It's a sensible thing to do. I'm not personally unsubbing over this -- the rest of the announcements were far too beautiful and inspired to do that -- but I definitely understand the folk who do. They're mad. They're insulted. Gotta empathize. Can't ask folk to feel differently than folk feel. They just feel.

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Originally Posted by Barristan

And is there solid proof that they won't ever add them? No. They caved on Man'qote, Fem Roes and Femlanders in 2.0. But preaching concept art as the gospel is just completely ignorant. If you go by that premise, we should have this for female Au'Ra:

https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-con...5-22_31_54.jpg

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hey shit while we're asking for stuff, can we have this as well lol

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Originally Posted by Twinsoul

Game companies hear money more clearly than forum posts. It's a sensible thing to do. I'm not personally unsubbing over this -- the rest of the announcements were far too beautiful and inspired to do that -- but I definitely understand the folk who do. They're mad. They're insulted. Gotta empathize. Can't ask folk to feel differently than folk feel. They just feel.

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Perhaps they could learn to feel without torches and pitchforks.

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Originally Posted by Riusvell

Can people please stop silencing legit complaints because you don't happen to like what they want?
That would be really nice, regarding the people dismissing male Viera/Female Ronso.

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Then why are you trying to silence our rebuttals to said complaints? Are we not allowed to do so? We have valid reasons as well.

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Originally Posted by Eleken

...We're paying them a monthly subscription and full price expansions as well as optional payed content like retainers and cosmetics. I seriously don't understand why you think it's wrong for customers to express their dissatisfaction with the content. It's entirely within customers rights, SE has their own PR they don't need fanatical fans that will defend them against any form of criticism.

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Paying a monthly subscription is like paying your landlord. That includes the rights you actually have and don't have, and rights you think you have, but actually don't.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Concept art is never an indication of something will be implemented. Concept art is literally drawing up plans and taking what you want, dismissing what you don't want and maybe fusing ideas you do like into something new. Tons of concepts don't make it into a game and some aren't ever even shown to the public. We were also shown demon concept art. Does that mean Square Enix is promising demons as a play-able race? No. Are they actively saying that demons won't be a race? No, there's no need. That's the whole basis behind concept.

They also can't backtrack their lore. Let me explain - Viera are not a single gender consisting of only females. They are not like Hyrule's Gerudo (1 male every 100 years versus 1 or 2 males per every 10?) . Viera have males - they live annexed from the more "social-able" female Viera and are basically exiled from contact from everything to guard their homes.

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Except I never mentioned the concept art and don't even know how you came to the conclusion I was? Because shockingly enough I actually agree it's not a good basis for expectation? There is a reason I don't even touch on it and instead focus on how they handled the reveal at fanfest where they could have very easily clarified the issue, and the lore in game. The latter of which frankly was very much a backtrackable moment as that was the first and /only/ instance we have heard of the males in FF14. This isn't FF12 or any other universe where they existed in the past. They could have very easily changed the lore and it wouldn't have hurt a single thing. Likewise they didn't even /need/ to backtrack it. Just save the blurb about the males for when we get to the Greatwood. "Where are all the guys?" -> "Oh -insert lore explanation here-." Would have worked just as well, if not better given the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Barristan

If male bunny pixels are all it takes for you to quit, then maybe this game isn't for you.

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I mean, it's great this doesn't bother you and you can continue to enjoy the game and the upcoming expansion. But other people care about other things, and good job reducing that to something you can handwave away by calling it 'male bunny pixels'!

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Originally Posted by Riusvell

Can people please stop silencing legit complaints because you don't happen to like what they want?
That would be really nice, regarding the people dismissing male Viera/Female Ronso.

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No one's silencing anyone. Infact you're free to make as many posts as you like, though it is a bit rich posting this in a thread where the OP talks about supporting the devs.

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Originally Posted by Barristan

Then why are you trying to silence our rebuttals to said complaints? Are we not allowed to do so? We have valid reasons as well.

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What's your valid reason to stop someone else from complaining? Unless you're an SE spy... *squints*