So what is a Hrothgar?

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Originally Posted by Cidel

If they're making viera all-female and this new Hrothgar all-male, I am fine with that since it's not as if the gender ratio has been made lopsided.

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The issue is
Male race big strong and beastly
Female race petite and pretty
Bit generic some would say sexist and somewhat unfair to those who would want beastly females or there bishonin males

And obviously male viera is gonna be the main source of that thread since they only showed females
And of course there will be alot of likes on male viera post
Alot do want them

Hrothgar sounds like a placeholder development name. It doesn't "feel" like it belongs with the other races, especially since it carries real world connotations with it.
Though because of that I wonder if they're based on Scandinavian history, with braided hair and vikings and all that jazz.

A lion with braided hair does sound familiar though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323[/img]

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Originally Posted by Corue

A lion with braided hair does sound familiar though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323[/img]

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Don't get me wrong I think ronso are really cool. I always wished that SE explored their lore more in the FFX games. However they are essentially cat people and we already have that. I don't fancy the idea of having the cute cats and the bad ass cats. I'd rather we get a race based on a different animal so that all the races can stand on their own.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Don't get me wrong I think ronso are really cool. I always wished that SE explored their lore more in the FFX games. However they are essentially cat people and we already have that. I don't fancy the idea of having the cute cats and the bad ass cats. I'd rather we get a race based on a different animal so that all the races can stand on their own.

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To be honest, since so many players liked Lupin perhaps the Hrothgar will borrow traits from both wolves and lions? Perhaps they will be like Miquote in that they can select between a more canine and feline subrace? I don't think that in FFXIV they'll come with horns directly protruding from their foreheads though, since that would render some horns for Summoner and the PVP one for Bard unwearable.

Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't the devs state at one time that the racial choices for our character would always be Human-like, particularly when it came to the face? And the reason for this was that the conflict between the Races of Man and the Beast Tribes is a major plot point in the game? That Miqo'te, Au Ra and Viera show how far they would go in giving us a player race with bestial features? Wouldn't that leave the Ronso out?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Have you not considered that the focus is like this because it is a new race? People always bring up the gender locked races in 1.0 and FFXI and how badly they were received when talking about viera.

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Don't recall them being "badly received," if anything, the fact that one of the main NPCs was a female Roegadyn when there was only males available being a talking point. People just requested for the opposite genders of the spiritual successors of XI since they were remaking the game anyway.

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If you think the gender locking conversation is only due to some weird fixation on bunny men then I have to assume you haven't been paying as much attention as you claim.

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It's as plain as day that the really vocal people in that thread want male viera and if you think that's not an underlying motive to push for "unlocking" possible genderlocked races you're being willfully obtuse.

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And yet in lore male miqo'te are rarely seen but among the playerbase they're extremely popular.Never mind how in 1.0 that race gender combo was unplayable. So if players can play the once unplayable "rare" male miqo'te, then why can't they also play the rare male viera? Why the double-standard?

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The simplest reason is because viera are not a creation of XIV. They are immigrated from another different story, game, whatever- where females are the primary representatives of that setting and males have not played any part in it. Not to say that they can't simply write-them in with some weak Deus ex Machina that comes out of nowehere, but I admit I'd respect the devs more if they adhered to the source game they borrowed them from.

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You're also forgetting that SE own all the FF lore so they can change it any way they please. And they certainly have done so many times already. A lot of what they borrowed from other FF games isn't used in the exact same way in FFXIV.

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The issue I see here is they've not done something on the level of immigrating a specific, iconic race in one particular setting into XIV and decided to practically retcon a defining characteristic about them (females being the highly visible ones) until now. This is different from "what are the classic summons in this game? Let's reuse this monster/boss from this FF game here that has practically 0 impact on anything." Or "Let's name this inconsequential type of item something recognizable from a previous series."

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If SE don't introduce male viera it would be because they don't want to. Not because they cannot.

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Agreed. And I'd respect that decision based on the circumstances surrounding viera. Clearly some people just want them bad enough for that not to matter.

In any case, I'm done arguing anything else about viera-anything here. Just need to wait for the next fanfest to see what the devs ultimately decided to do.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

The issue is
Male race big strong and beastly
Female race petite and pretty

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So, par for the course because that's Au ra in a nutshell? And if the content model is anything to go by, they don't like "mixing it up and trying anything new" which I thought a lot of people were fine with? /s http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/rolleyes.png

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Originally Posted by Cidel

So, par for the course because that's Au ra in a nutshell?

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This exact issue was brought up with them, continues to be mentioned regarding them, and is often brought up in regard to gender dimorphism among races in other games that it applies to.

It's not new here.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Don't get me wrong I think ronso are really cool. I always wished that SE explored their lore more in the FFX games. However they are essentially cat people and we already have that. I don't fancy the idea of having the cute cats and the bad ass cats. I'd rather we get a race based on a different animal so that all the races can stand on their own.

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I will concede that I am a little, well, disappointed if the devs are double-downing on yet another feline race for XIV. Whatever their reasoning would end up being, I'd like to hear it.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

So, par for the course because that's Au ra in a nutshell? And if the content model is anything to go by, they don't like "mixing it up and trying anything new" which I thought a lot of people were fine with? /s http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/rolleyes.png

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Despite the size difference au ra they are still the same race
Males are not beastly in the slightest
Female and male horns tails and scales are similar
They are not two completely different looking beings like a rabbit and a lion that share no relation.

And male au ra are pretty excuse you.

I believe this is no different then how many healers feel about there gear being stuck with robes
Its a trope that needs to end like gender locking races

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Originally Posted by Corue

Hrothgar sounds like a placeholder development name. It doesn't "feel" like it belongs with the other races, especially since it carries real world connotations with it.
Though because of that I wonder if they're based on Scandinavian history, with braided hair and vikings and all that jazz.

A lion with braided hair does sound familiar though.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323[/img]

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Also wouldn't surprise me if thats what the dwarves call themselves
"Hrothgar the dwarven people"
Fantasy dwarfs are basically vikings left in the dryer too long