No discussion on fixing Blu?????

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

BLU was never touted for solo play in anything but the Overworld and the solo content devised specifically for them (Carnival). If you assumed it meant BLU could solo Ex Trials and all of Coil, that's a misunderstanding on your part because that was never said.

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You know, except for the part where they did say it was a solo experience while showing footage of a BLU soloing Shiva. That would lead to some confusion, I'd think, and is not the fault of the player. Lets stop pretending they didn't explicitly advertise it as a whacky solo experience when that's absolutely what they did.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

Last update I saw about BLU was that they'd be getting a lvl cap increase to 60 with the first patch after 5.0.

With expansion so close, I wouldn't expect any major changes to BLU till after 5.1 when everything has kind of settled down.

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While changes won't be expected until post 5.1, you'd think they'd want to address how the job was implemented, as well as the initial waves of feedback.

Not to mention, their plans for the future of the job.

All we have right now is level cap increase in ShB, some new spells (Exactly how many of the 120 something total spells they had created at the time they mentioned this, who knows) and an update to Masked Carnivale to accommodate the new levels and spells.

To say nothing about peoples feedback, even just in terms of it as a Limited Job in general (Since, despite my feelings about preferring Limited Jobs to be able to access regular content, my post on the first page of this thread discussing how we didn't get what we promised does not factor in that, they look at the class purely in terms of being a fun Limited Job in the role outlined for Limited Jobs - I.e. Solo experiences)

This isn't just feedback here, there are some very highly rated posts over on the Japanese forums that discuss how BLU was a complete failure in how it was implemented. Some far exceeding the total upvotes that entire threads get in these forums.

For example, reading through this thread over in the Japanese forums has many people questioning a lot of the decisions around BLU being limited, about how it doesn't feel like proper content let alone a Job.

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Originally Posted by guardin

Please Yoshi dont break bLU keep it limited!

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Question: How would removing some of BLU's arbitrary restrictions and actually making it not mediocre "Break" BLU?

So long as they keep the unique learning mechanic for obtaining spells it'd be the same BLU, only with vastly more content available to actually use the class...

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Originally Posted by guardin

Nothing, they are just digging deep creating problems where problems does not exisit.

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Yet, people whom are against fixing BLU don't actually substantiate their claims by refuting any of the points that get brought up with evidence.

Like, we see things like "Oh, they were only meant for soloing in Overworld and Carnivale!" but no-where is there any evidence, in either the reveal nor the interview with Yoshida where this was implied much less stated. Meanwhile, there's plenty of quotes and evidence suggesting the opposite, that due to how imbalanced they are that's why they can't be used in party play because they're OP and designed for solo play.

Or we just get people saying "BLU is fine!" and not trying to counter any of the points being raised by numerous people.

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Originally Posted by guardin

Blu isnt broken, it is the people who are playing it that are broken

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The thing is, there have been many people who were initially for BLU and it being a Limited Job and they went in with the idea that they'd probably like its implementation due to how they usually play. There's even some threads created where people went in, unbiased, and gave it a fair shot but still ended up feeling that the job was ultimately lacking.

It's not just people who are against the idea of Limited Jobs in general (In the sense of restricting jobs from being able to participate in large amounts of the games content) who feel that BLU isn't up to par.

The fact that BLU is SO close to being literally another job like any other, but with a few fun and interesting quirks such as learning their skills (Also, the bizarre lack of stats on their weapon but with their scaling from INT being meticulously designed so that at level 50 with ~120-130 ilevel gear they end up performing similarly to every other class in terms of damage output) just adds to the disappointment because it makes the restrictions from Limited feel unjustified, on top of the fact that it doesn't exactly bring a unique style of play that makes it especially different either.

Don’t fix what isn’t broken.

It only just released a couple weeks ago, and you expect them to have collected and processed enough feedback for them to have an idea of what might need changed, while they were also likely scrambling with any last minute prep for the fanfest itself, on top of all the work going into getting 5.0 ready?

Maybe you could be a little less demanding?

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

BLU was never touted for solo play in anything but the Overworld and the solo content devised specifically for them (Carnival). If you assumed it meant BLU could solo Ex Trials and all of Coil, that's a misunderstanding on your part because that was never said.

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I love how you bring this up in every thread while it wasn't said specifically it shows the Blue Mage in the trailer soloing Shiva EX and getting it, the Overworld can be solo'd by anyone and the Carnivale is very sad solo content but how about you bring the points you never bring up.

BLU is forced to do party content such as AV and Tam Tara, Tam Tara isn't as bad, albeit tedious to solo yourself, AV you can't solo and for a class that is supposed to solo its own spells it's misleading, such is having to drag lvl 70s to solo the primal skills because what was shown and the talk of BLU being "too powerful" never came to light. You're pretty oblivious to the fact of how it was advertised as well as the slides showing that it is indeed a solo class everything screams that its meant for solo play and when you gotta AFK and do anywhere to 1-50 runs for 1 god damn spell it's pretty bad design.

I hope we never get another limited class but that won't be the case they'll shovel them out more and more and we'll get sprinkles of Pokemon battling with BST and probably a dancing mini game if they made DNC a limited job for example, you see where I'm going with this. It's all side content that just dies so fast it has no staying power, no fulfillment when you get everything it just makes you wish the class could actually be played as an actual job.

Blue mage became a dead class to me in 4 days (all spells and achievements to date). A "job" that has a limited lifespan. Carnivale can be finished from scratch in 1-2 hours.

Think about that.

He said for the next month or so, he's going to plan a roadmap for the next 2 years or something, right? well, after the next 2 years. Personally, I hope he hears the feedback that people want more to BLU.

This is me being very hopeful, but I was partly expecting BLU will be limited until 70, then in 6.0 we level from 70-90 as a "full job" As well as with the other new classes releasing. We still get all the new fights leading up to 70, but after then, we don't get any more of the carnival fights. Didn't the NPC say at the end of the quest talking about finding a guild or something for BLU? could be a hint.

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Originally Posted by Dralonis

He said for the next month or so, he's going to plan a roadmap for the next 2 years or something, right? well, after the next 2 years. Personally, I hope he hears the feedback that people want more to BLU.

This is me being very hopeful, but I was partly expecting BLU will be limited until 70, then in 6.0 we level from 70-90 as a "full job" As well as with the other new classes releasing. We still get all the new fights leading up to 70, but after then, we don't get any more of the carnival fights. Didn't the NPC say at the end of the quest talking about finding a guild or something for BLU? could be a hint.

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Right now, I'd just like anything to put my hope into. Blue Mage is my favorite job and wanting it to have a more respectable place in the game comes out of a place of love, not disdain and hatred for the game and other players. I have a very clear preference (make it closer to a functional job like the other Final Fantasy iterations) but at this point frankly I'm open to seeing what they can manage to do with it. Whatever the case though, it deserves to have a full experience equivalent of a Final Fantasy job, and not the sad echo we have now. What direction that might take is one thing, but it baffles me that the sentiment of wanting Blue Mage to be better for everybody is met with such resistance from current players.

I understand that's not going to happen immediately, even in the best case scenario they have to redirect this (admittedly barebones) current roadmap. I just hope we get some kind of word during or soon after the next fanfest.

Edit: Right, I quoted you because you mentioned the guild thing, I'd like to think that coincides with limitations being slowly removed as it becomes more accepted in the world. Hope's gotta be somewhere, eh?

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This isn\\\\\\'t just feedback here, there are some very highly rated posts over on the Japanese forums that discuss how BLU was a complete failure in how it was implemented. Some far exceeding the total upvotes that entire threads get in these forums.

For example, reading through this thread over in the Japanese forums has many people questioning a lot of the decisions around BLU being limited, about how it doesn\\\\\\'t feel like proper content let alone a Job.



Question: How would removing some of BLU\\\\\\'s arbitrary restrictions and actually making it not mediocre "Break" BLU?

So long as they keep the unique learning mechanic for obtaining spells it\\\\\\'d be the same BLU, only with vastly more content available to actually use the class...



Yet, people whom are against fixing BLU don\\\\\\'t actually substantiate their claims by refuting any of the points that get brought up with evidence.

Like, we see things like "Oh, they were only meant for soloing in Overworld and Carnivale!" but no-where is there any evidence, in either the reveal nor the interview with Yoshida where this was implied much less stated. Meanwhile, there\\\\\\'s plenty of quotes and evidence suggesting the opposite, that due to how imbalanced they are that\\\\\\'s why they can\\\\\\'t be used in party play because they\\\\\\'re OP and designed for solo play.

Or we just get people saying "BLU is fine!" and not trying to counter any of the points being raised by numerous people.



The thing is, there have been many people who were initially for BLU and it being a Limited Job and they went in with the idea that they\\\\\\'d probably like its implementation due to how they usually play. There\\\\\\'s even some threads created where people went in, unbiased, and gave it a fair shot but still ended up feeling that the job was ultimately lacking.

It\\\\\\'s not just people who are against the idea of Limited Jobs in general (In the sense of restricting jobs from being able to participate in large amounts of the games content) who feel that BLU isn\\\\\\'t up to par.


Damn I love how you be shutting those guys down yasssssss. I love you. Preach it tell them the facts!!! Show them the receipts. Haha. #FreeBlue

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Originally Posted by Valdegarde

Right now, I'd just like anything to put my hope into. Blue Mage is my favorite job and wanting it to have a more respectable place in the game comes out of a place of love, not disdain and hatred for the game and other players. I have a very clear preference (make it closer to a functional job like the other Final Fantasy iterations) but at this point frankly I'm open to seeing what they can manage to do with it. Whatever the case though, it deserves to have a full experience equivalent of a Final Fantasy job, and not the sad echo we have now. What direction that might take is one thing, but it baffles me that the sentiment of wanting Blue Mage to be better for everybody is met with such resistance from current players.

I understand that's not going to happen immediately, even in the best case scenario they have to redirect this (admittedly barebones) current roadmap. I just hope we get some kind of word during or soon after the next fanfest.

Edit: Right, I quoted you because you mentioned the guild thing, I'd like to think that coincides with limitations being slowly removed as it becomes more accepted in the world. Hope's gotta be somewhere, eh?

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I think it increases it's chances quite a lot, they are just very secretive. They love suprises. Same with that we didn't get ANY tease for the new class, we didn't see anything about male viera and they most likely avoided all questions involving blue mage.

The text when you talk to Martyn talks about "well, the business with the great azuro got everyone talking about blue magic! those stuffy old bookworms in the Arcanists guild never listened to me before but this ought to make them take notice. in fact, I'm thinkin' about openin' a blue mages guild. partly as a way of rubbin' my old guildmates noses in it for rejectin' my research, but also to help spread the knowledge across eorzea. I'll need a fair bit of gil to get the idea off the ground, though. "

With that, I assume we will most likely be gathering money in 5.1 from 50-60 so we can establish the guild, then 60-70 getting it built, spreading the name further, etc, then in 6.0 at 70, the guild is finished and we get a full class version of blue mage. Just a guess. They even mention comparisons to Arcanist since I guess it was building and then became a job in 2.0 , so it has some ties to it and maybe a tease.