This is a fallacy, outside of using iconic monster spells, there is no "play like a bluemage." In FF5 you had to get hit by particular monster spells before you could use that spell, in FF6 it was the same, in FF7 you needed a special materia to recreate a semblance of it, in 8 you had to find special item drops and have quitis absorb it? and use them as limit breaks, in ff9 Quina had to eat a monster, in 10 Kimahri had to absorb it via stabbing them with his spear and like Quitis use them as limit breaks, in 11 ill not speak of it because of spoilers for later in this conversation. 12 didn't exist, 13 didn't exist, 14 yet to be revealed and 15 didn't exist, in tactics you needed to gain certain monster parts i believe.Quote:
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Lore wise This is where Blue Mage fans don't seem to realize how much of my Vampire idea makes sense here. Blue mages in FF11 which we now know is the past of FF 14, WERE CREATED VIA EXPERIMENTATION / BODY MODIFICATIONS. I cannot emphasize that enough, Blue Magic in this world Isn't a learned thing, it is a symbiosis between a modified humanoid and the absorption of monster essence, Absorption.... Monsters.. In other words YOU BECOME A MONSTER! What is the most iconic Monster that feeds on other creatures? The Freakin VAMPIRE. However we use Soulstones in FF14 So what will likely happen is that you will find the soulstone of a now deceased Blue Mage who imparted all his essence into the stone, and by awakening it you will inherit those traits/abilities, ie become the Blue Mage/Vampire.
They don't have to call Blue Mages vampires in FF14, if it's a continuation of the Lore from 11 they will be vampires regardless. Also Lore wise who would have came up with these vile ideas fo modification other than the void sent who want to take over the mortal world and what better way to do it than to make people start fusing their essences with monster essences, possibly voidsent essence like a certain potential red mage did, oh wait Voidsent will do anything to possess people.
Vampire the answer to the Blue Mage
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08-01-2018, 11:52 AMSelvokaz
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08-01-2018, 12:40 PMNestama
FFXI and FFXIV are not the same world. This has been confirmed years ago in a Live Letter (plus the whole lore behind Hydaelyn and such).
Right now, we have no idea how BLU will work or what its lore will be (or if it really is confirmed for next expansion. I'm hoping it is, of course), though we can safely assume they'll wear blue. I highly doubt SE will recycle the same lore from FFXI. -
08-01-2018, 01:56 PMMomomiMomiFinal Fantasy 1 would like to have a word with you.Quote:
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Samurai actually has quite a few techniques from previous FF games, and Ninja as well with its ninjutsu and shuriken throwing.Quote:
Samurai and Ninja, have just about nothing in common with any previous incarnations of the jobs from previous games save for their names
This one comes from Final Fantasy Tactics.Quote:
Machinist? Never existed until 14
I don't know why you're so hung up on turning Blue Mage into a vampire, but if you wanted something like this, the best fit would actually be Necromancer (FFV) which plays quite a lot like Blue Mage. -
08-01-2018, 03:16 PMSelvokazAnd FF14 is the same world as FF5 so you're either killing the argument that they should be like previous incarnations of Blue Mage or accepting that they should be entirely different incarnations of blue mage which would include a different name and or premise behind their introduction. You can't have it both ways.Quote:
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08-01-2018, 03:18 PMSelvokazFF1 is welcome to come debate it's point as much as it likes since Me and FF1 go way back to Fighter becomes a Knight, Red mage becomes Red Wizard, Black Belt/Monk becomes Kung Fu Master/Sensei, Black Mage becomes Black Wizard, White Mage becomes White Wizard, Thief becomes Ninja days. :) Don't see any warriors though. Was that the pal version? Samurai shares what skills from the previous Samurai, I don't see Coin Toss in this game, are you referring to something in 11? I can go varify it if you like, other than that I see no skill relations at all, and throwing a fuma shuriken isn't the same throw in the previous games, or the limited ninjutsus from FF4, but again if you're referring to 11 well my my, how the cherry pickers pick, Eorzea sure is learning a lot from Vana'diel despite them not being the same world according to most.Quote:
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08-01-2018, 06:13 PMKazrahThat's predominantly a matter of perception due to constant comparisons between 11 and 14 just because they're both MMORPGs, breaking from the standard of other games in the series. Yes, there may be sources of inspiration from 11 for some parts of 14, but the same could be said of other games serving as sources of inspiration for content.Quote:
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As for the main topic, we wouldn't get a Vampire job for the exact same reason we wouldn't get a Necromancer job: in terms of lore, it's considered to be crossing the line into what is understood as inherently evil or morally wrong. Even jobs like Dark Knight or Black Mage, while seeming as malign or even heretical at times due to drawing power from darker places, still aren't entirely considered evil--ethically ambiguous, maybe, but not inherently evil when compared to anything pertaining to undeath, which is a massive red flag to every extant culture in the game.
For an answer to Blue Mage, I'd definitely look at something Garlean and potentially more mechanical. -
08-01-2018, 10:52 PMMahrzeQuote:
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You're trying to do that yourself, though.
You can be cynically pedantic all you want for argument's sake. But going on a side track rant of "jobs are non sequitur" to their design through different games isn't really adding anything to the conversation outside of "we can because reasons". BLU being vampires or frankensteins is not a concept I can disagree upon, but I'd rather look at things based off on how they've done other jobs and see that the theme of "Vampire" was already used with RDM, so I doubt they would recycle it.Quote:
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08-01-2018, 11:36 PMNestamaAll I'm saying is Blue Mage, in games with a Job system, all tend to follow the same trend. FFV, FFTA and FFTA2 require a Blue Mage to be hit by a monster skill to learn it, whereas BLU's in FFXI need only see the attack (otherwise it would be impossible to learn the heal/support skills). I'd also like to see BLU's have nothing to do with the void/demons and also not be a recycled story from FFXI (which, again, is not FFXIV's past).Quote:
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08-01-2018, 11:50 PMBillyKaplanFelt like piping in on this, I doubt it'll be something we'll have to properly queue into a duty for. However, SB saw us go into various dungeons and even raid grounds in solo duties for job quests. They can do something like this for the BLU quests, and even use Magicites to recreate bosses who, lore wise, we cannot face off against anymore because we beat them and there was only one around. The Magicite (or even the Soul Crystal, there's been precedents for that) recreates the enemy from our memories so we can learn from it, but because of affinity or what not it has to be done in that particular location and that explains the instance.Quote:
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08-02-2018, 12:06 AMZsolenFighter in the original is a warrior. He is the original Warrior of Light. FFX-2 also had a warrior dresspshere.Quote:
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That said, the FFXIV warrior is more closely related to a berserker than a warrior.