Letter to Mr. Yoshi

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Yes, let's created 2 echo chambers where there is zero discussion on the matter. That's really a positive push for the community.

/sarcasm off

This reply is not really needed too improve your desire for a phraser. If you want a phraser, the *community* first must improve there behavior in high level duty's. So you can convince the developers in adding a phraser wont hurt the community much.

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Alright, now you've invited the burden of proof ShadowhunterrX if that's your real name. Go ahead, show me proof of the community and "there" behavior in high level "duty's". Show me, show me what you got! I want to see what you got! You know, those parsers that we've had since ARR because people used them to figure out the ideal rotations and openers for jobs and to measure themselves in content like Coil. Those parsers that already exist and by not adding official support only isolates PS4 players and those who don't know how to setup ACT on PC as second-class citizens.

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Originally Posted by Ultima

Alright, now you've invited the burden of proof ShadowhunterrX if that's your real name. Go ahead, show me proof of the community and "there" behavior in high level "duty's". Show me, show me what you got! I want to see what you got! You know, those parsers that we've had since ARR because people used them to figure out the ideal rotations and openers for jobs and to measure themselves in content like Coil. Those parsers that already exist and by not adding official support only isolates PS4 players and those who don't know how to setup ACT on PC as second-class citizens.

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Your reply is proof enough. You are reply in such attacking manner for no reason, only to defend your opinion on phraser for no reason. You clearly dont understand want I mean. People are the problem, not the phraser. A person with tunnel vision wont be saved with a phraser for example.

I am not against it all. I would love to crush ego players who think they are good with proof. But I also see the reason why they wont add it.

But anyway proof of bad behavior is a double edge sword. I can make story's up with vage details. But I guess people raging and pointing fingers in clearly party's after one wipe is something everybody has exp by this time.

If I remember correct. There was a JP streamer sponsored by SE belittle in the stream for being bad. As revanche many people did go to there FC house in Roe underwear.

That event is all the reason Yoshi-P will ever need to say no in his eyes. While I agree that misuse is not a common occurrence, negative experiences tend to overshadow the positive ones. Unless we get a new director I highly doubt we will ever get an official parser. The man has shown his heels a are dug in quite deep.

While this community is rather tame compared to other games our developers tend to go with knee jerk reactions. I mean do you honestly expect them to add an official parser when they removed the chat function from feast? People are still toxic in feast they mark others with ignore, spam good job at the start. Their fix did nothing but in the eyes of SE it did lessen the issue.

They said they are against it and the reason is toxicity but there are people who are even toxic in sastasha so i won't believe it will make non-toxic players toxic. A toxic player will always be toxic nonetheless and they probably already use outside parsers. But ofc, SE thinks we should play casually always. That's why everything is easy now.

I for one dislike this idea, as it's a good tool for toxic behaviour and elitism. So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

I for one dislike this idea, as it's a good tool for toxic behaviour and elitism. So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it.

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Care to offer any arguments or reasoning to prove this? Because, they've been around since the beginning and there's been no real storm of toxicity, but they're used by the majority of people at the endgame level or they have benefited from their existence by way of Openers and Rotations that were theorycrafted by said Parser data.

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Originally Posted by Ultima

Care to offer any arguments or reasoning to prove this? Because, they've been around since the beginning and there's been no real storm of toxicity, but they're used by the majority of people at the endgame level or they have benefited from their existence by way of Openers and Rotations that were theorycrafted by said Parser data.

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Thing is no matter how much the community cries for change for certain things Yoshi-P has shown to be extremely stubborn when it comes things he personally perceives as having a negative impact on the game and or community. PvP community has fought for ages for us to get our voice back in feast, still nothing. For Yosihi-P the Koike incident will be all the evidence, argument and or reasoning he will ever need to say no to an official parser.

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Originally Posted by Ultima

Care to offer any arguments or reasoning to prove this? Because, they've been around since the beginning and there's been no real storm of toxicity, but they're used by the majority of people at the endgame level or they have benefited from their existence by way of Openers and Rotations that were theorycrafted by said Parser data.

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"So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it".
Of course there hasn't been any storm of toxicity, people would risk being reported for using a parse if they were to be vocal about the results. This way, it remains a tool for true personal use; you check your damage output if you wish so, while at the same time you leave the rest of the world in peace.

I used to play games where numbers dictated people's worth, and it wasn't pretty. The mere thought of dealing with that in FFXIV doesn't make me happy, so I'm glad that parse users aren't allowed to be vocal about their results.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

"So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it".
Of course there hasn't been any storm of toxicity, people would risk being reported for using a parse if they were to be vocal about the results. This way, it remains a tool for true personal use; you check your damage output if you wish so, while at the same time you leave the rest of the world in peace.

I used to play games where numbers dictated people's worth, and it wasn't pretty. The mere thought of dealing with that in FFXIV doesn't make me happy, so I'm glad that parse users aren't allowed to be vocal about their results.

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I'm gonna blow your mind, watch this. Okay, you see... people are already using the tool to get rid of people. You join a party, you do a duty, you underperform - you get kicked or they disband and reform without you and continue without saying a word because they can't mention your DPS, so they'll just wordlessly get rid of the underperforming players and continue without them.

This game dictates your worth by numbers because we're here to reduce the big bad's HP to 0 before we all die, you're your DPS numbers because that's all your character amounts to in the end to the game. I'm sorry that upsets you, but the reality you don't want to deal with has been here since ARR launched. You're not a hero, you're not anything special, you're a set of abilities that are made to keep yourself and others alive and reduce the big bad's hp to 0 before he does the same to you.

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

"So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it".
Of course there hasn't been any storm of toxicity, people would risk being reported for using a parse if they were to be vocal about the results. This way, it remains a tool for true personal use; you check your damage output if you wish so, while at the same time you leave the rest of the world in peace.

I used to play games where numbers dictated people's worth, and it wasn't pretty. The mere thought of dealing with that in FFXIV doesn't make me happy, so I'm glad that parse users aren't allowed to be vocal about their results.

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I don't know what game you're playing, or what content you do, but a single cursory glance is enough to tell you that FFXIV is already to the point where your worth is dictated by numbers. Not just DPS of course. Deaths, the number of wipes you've caused, Healing Per Second if that's relevant to your role, etc. The truth of the matter is that parsing people already kick people that underperform without parsers, we would just need to call it "Playstyle differences" and move on without so much as a second thought about it.

Hell, if anything, parsers being a hush-hush type deal in-game likely just chokes off the actual good raiders from bothering with more casual players. Speaking from personal experience, I dread doing EX primals in purely blind parties for exactly this reason. And Savage? Absolutely not ever. Why in the world would I want to waste my time slogging through content I've already got under control, dealing with party members that would rather just put their fingers in their ears and say "If I don't hear about how bad I'm doing, my underperformance doesn't exist."

I'd much rather just stick to my own people, at that point.

And then there's also the fact that parsers being added to the base game is actually a boon for the casual audience, just because they would finally have some type of feedback regarding their performance. That way more earnest casual players, with a drive to actually improve themselves, would be able to do so without the usage of 3rd party tools or relying on more hardcore friends to guide them. There are a ton of people, either on the PS4 or just without the technical know-how to set up a parser, that would really benefit from that level of transparency.

Finally, you insist that parsers being illegal to talk about somehow prevents people from being assholes. Well... As I said in the other thread, the parser doesn't magically transform an otherwise quiet, mild mannered party member into a raging asshole. The raging asshole was already there, and they were probably going to be a raging asshole to you regardless of the tools at their disposal in doing so.