Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans

As it stands someone that plays/has a level 70 Warrior can loose a roll to someone with a level 10 Maurader, lol

Please, change this stupid decision

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Originally Posted by Maero

As it stands someone that plays/has a level 70 Warrior can loose a roll to someone with a level 10 Maurader, lol

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tbh this comment doesn't make sense. why would someone lock themselves from weekly gear to get themselves a tank gear while they are lv10?
there are more than one way to get gear. most people gear their alts with alliance raids. in the end, though, it doesn't matter. no one rolls for the gear to be greedy. they roll because they need it in some way. i think this makes everyone equal with rolling, instead of people who just roll stuff to get the gear they don't even need. a.k.a selling them for gc seals, get materia etc. etc. i have seen many times a lv70 tank rolls need on something on lv60 raids. maybe someone needs that gear to gear their lv60 tanks? did you think of that i wonder.

in the end, everyone loots what they need for. it is weekly locked so not everyone is getting all the gears. it is fine as it is now imo.

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Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren

tbh this comment doesn't make sense. why would someone lock themselves from weekly gear to get themselves a tank gear while they are lv10?
there are more than one way to get gear. most people gear their alts with alliance raids. in the end, though, it doesn't matter. no one rolls for the gear to be greedy. they roll because they need it in some way. i think this makes everyone equal with rolling, instead of people who just roll stuff to get the gear they don't even need. a.k.a selling them for gc seals, get materia etc. etc. i have seen many times a lv70 tank rolls need on something on lv60 raids. maybe someone needs that gear to gear their lv60 tanks? did you think of that i wonder.

in the end, everyone loots what they need for. it is weekly locked so not everyone is getting all the gears. it is fine as it is now imo.

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Aside from there already being a zillion page thread that covers this... someone actively doing the job right then losing out on an upgrade to some guy with an alt that might get played sometime, maybe, is hardly fair. They don't need it. They want it. That's why need/greed was created in the first place. That's why it's still the default loot system in literally every other roulette in the game.

This broke people's ability to get gear for their mains, especially on jobs where the gear is popular for glamour (SAM). It's SE fixing a problem that didn't exist in the first place and creating a real problem by doing so.

Agreed.

The Need option never was a problem. Stop wasting resources fixing what isn't broken.

It may not be considered directly an 'issue', however, there had been a lot heavy arguments about loots within party/alliance chat. I for instance felt shy to greed things for my other classes, worried the other one might need. Somebody greeding on something somebody else needed, it did become issue what I experienced. It is what stopped me daring to press Greed button myself - it was horrific. And the bullying was uncalled for many times I witness. Once somebody does specify need of a gear, many passes on. I just pass. This has fixed the issue as alliance raid -does- drop heavy alt-gathering items, and really nice for glamours too, in such, it makes sense.

I don't know if this will last, but I agree that this is anything but a working solution and should bring the Need button back and since they are there they should take a closer look to 24 man raid rewards in general especially if any x.x8 patch is going to remove savage lockouts in the future

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Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren

tbh this comment doesn't make sense. why would someone lock themselves from weekly gear to get themselves a tank gear while they are lv10?
there are more than one way to get gear. most people gear their alts with alliance raids. in the end, though, it doesn't matter. no one rolls for the gear to be greedy. they roll because they need it in some way. i think this makes everyone equal with rolling, instead of people who just roll stuff to get the gear they don't even need. a.k.a selling them for gc seals, get materia etc. etc. i have seen many times a lv70 tank rolls need on something on lv60 raids. maybe someone needs that gear to gear their lv60 tanks? did you think of that i wonder.

in the end, everyone loots what they need for. it is weekly locked so not everyone is getting all the gears. it is fine as it is now imo.

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They would lot if they want that specific piece, for whatever reason, either glamour or just to have it to level into or whatever. If anything drops that you want, it's best for you to lot on it lockout or not, because you never know when it'll drop again. And sometimes people lot just to get ANYTHING, because they've run it a bunch and don't want their lockout to go to waste. Also people don't typically keep running after they get their item, so pretty much everybody in the run isn't going to be locked out at the start of every run.

If someone wants level 60 tank gear from a 24 man it's solely for glamour. That would be a terrible way to gear a job and if someone is running old content to get substandard gear that's going to be outdated and worthless once they get to level 61 then it's probably for the best if somebody stops them by needing it.

I'm running the place mostly for the chance at getting the NIN gear, most specifically the Feet, Chest, and Hands. I've been in 4 times and have yet to see any of said pieces, and the most frustrating part is that even if I do see them, someone could roll and get them whilst said roller may not even have the classes for it even unlocked.

That bs needs changing.

What is the ilvl of the items in the new raid btw?