Dev Request: Ability to see Wyrm Wave's recast timer

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Originally Posted by Kurando

They aren't really that different, both the turret and Bahamut auto attack every time it's master attacks, and both have a special attack that can be manually executed.

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That's not how Turret works, though. When MCH attacks a target, turret starts to attack the same target at 3s intervals and will keep attacking regardless if the MCH does. There's essentially no interaction between MCH and the turret outside of Overload, so I wouldn't call that harmony or responsiveness.

Doubling the potency and recast timer and just letting it attack on its own like a turret doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

That's not how Turret works, though. When MCH attacks a target, turret starts to attack the same target at 3s intervals and will keep attacking regardless if the MCH does. There's essentially no interaction between MCH and the turret outside of Overload, so I wouldn't call that harmony or responsiveness.

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I noticed my oversight on the turret, been a while since playing MCH but it would still be more harmonious because the fact the turret is actually attacking (doesn't need to move) and you aren't not being punished if you need to move around or are unable to attack for whatever reason. You currently could summon Bahamut and do absolutely nothing, maybe Akh Morn, but still nothing else to which a player might of been better just keeping the original pet out to begin with because of all the potential damage that was lost. Of course that would be a silly scenario but I'm sure you get the idea, but when a turret or even a Carbuncle is somewhat more responsive and reliable than Bahamut, well clearly there is something wrong.

Invest in a watch and look at it every 1.5 seconds while also playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Of course that would be a silly scenario but I'm sure you get the idea, but when a turret or even a Carbuncle is somewhat more responsive and reliable than Bahamut, well clearly there is something wrong.

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Put a Carbuncle or egi on steady and manually perform its actions while moving around. Tell me that pet movement behaviour is not shared with Bahamut. It's a Steady default state problem.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

Here is a funny thing about Wyrmwaves, you can't guarantee how many you accomplished without using 3rd parties. Which is essentially bad on a game that doesn't let you use them, you basically can't know if you're playing right or not.



Say what.

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You can't *practically* discern how many wyrmwaves without 3rd parties.
It's absolutely, physically possible to estimate how many were used by calculating DPS on a target with and without wyrmwave.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Doubling the potency and recast timer and just letting it attack on its own like a turret doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

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Yes. Because the #1 thing Summoner needs is *even more* damage. Maybe one day Ruin 3 will actually be a Ruin 3, too.
Edit - That last line is sarcasm, by the way.

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Originally Posted by Luin

Yes. Because the #1 thing Summoner needs is *even more* damage. Maybe one day Ruin 3 will actually be a Ruin 3, too.
Edit - That last line is sarcasm, by the way.

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Using example numbers

100 every 1.5 is the same as 200 every 3.0

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Originally Posted by Luin

You can't *practically* discern how many wyrmwaves without 3rd parties.
It's absolutely, physically possible to estimate how many were used by calculating DPS on a target with and without wyrmwave.

Yes. Because the #1 thing Summoner needs is *even more* damage. Maybe one day Ruin 3 will actually be a Ruin 3, too.
Edit - That last line is sarcasm, by the way.

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he said : "Doubling the potency and recast timer". No change in DPS whatsoever, please pay more attention. 120 every 1.5 or 240 every 3 seconds is the same, if you don't count minimal benefits like fitting a little bit extra in buff windows.

If Bahamut would have auto attack wyrmwaves, it would be same than not having wyrmwaves at all and keep egi attacking while Bahamut only use akh morn in the background.

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Originally Posted by Luin

It's absolutely, physically possible to estimate how many were used by calculating DPS on a target with and without wyrmwave.

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Yeah that's very practical on a boss fight. /s