Resurgence of people using third-party programs to find hunt marks?

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Originally Posted by Feves

There's only one person in our FC who is "instant" pulling hunts to this day, try to prove me wrong. He does it for the legacy salt because he doesn't care what you guys think. I mean, our FC has dozens of membes but the actions of two individuals gets put on the rest of us.

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It sounds like you need to talk to your FC leader. These people shouldn't still have your tag. They would be out of my FC faster than you could blink if I knew they were doing things to deliberately troll the server *and* blackening my FC's name in the process.

Just like with Ungarmax, I don't think this should be allowed. You're using a third party tool to "scan" an area in the game, which in turn gives you an unfair advantage.

I miss the old camaraderie that existed when hunt linkshells were first formed and people would go scouting for the hunts, or commit mass suicide on Witchdrop trying to get that dragon to spawn. Good times!

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Just like with Ungarmax, I don't think this should be allowed. You're using a third party tool to "scan" an area in the game, which in turn gives you an unfair advantage.

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It's technically not allowed. One of the websites with a tool for this on it flat out tells you it's a ToS violation and that if you get in trouble for it, you were warned. But, much like parsers, they operate strictly client side and if you don't go around saying you have one, SE is largely going to leave you alone.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

No offense, but hunts are open world content and designed to be competitive as well. Attacking an open world mob before others isn't griefing. A ranks were designed to be beaten by light parties, S ranks for 8 mans. If they wait for others, thats nice but its not a ToS violation if they don't.

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ToS violation? No? Jerk behavior? Yep. If the community expects people to play nice on hunts and someone chooses not to, the community is entirely within it's rights to dislike and ostracize that person.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Bunch of words

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Back in time, there was a tool called Guildworks. Beside some useful features like a global chat, its also could find huntkmarks.

Back in this time we had also this discussion und the guy behind Guildworks did add a timer of some minutes to postpone the message of a found huntmark.

Result was: The huntmobs got found as fast as always, just GW people were always to late.

Conclusion: People do find them without tools very fast. They have always a view on the hunsites with the timers, do look for them in an effective order and know when its time for the "forced spawn".

Someone may have said this, but you mentioned seeing this as of a month ago, and the likeliest reason you're seeing a resurgence is because it's progression time again as of 4.2. Hunts are a great way to easily max out tomes, get clusters, and get clan mark logs for upgrading stuff. So no big surprise that hunts are popular atm.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

You know something is up when people are calling/relaying S ranks the second they get spawned when they're not even in the zone.

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If my hunt linkshell let's me know the boss is at <pos> then I'm going to tell my other chat channels the hunt mark is at <flag>.
I don't need to be in a zone to legitimately relay information. I like to help my linkshell-less FC mates and other shells sometimes!

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Overall, this isn't actually benefiting anyone other then the few people using the sniffer to detect the hunts in this manner.

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I don't want to defend the usage of 3rd party apps, but if you're admitting these people are relaying calls to hunt LS where people who don't use the program are getting benefit, where are you getting that it isn't actually benefiting anyone other than them?

The way I see it anyone getting those call relays are getting benefit, not just the person with the 3rd party program.

So what exactly is upsetting you here? Did you want to keep the hunt spawn secret and not call it?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I don't want to defend the usage of 3rd party apps, but if you're admitting these people are relaying calls to hunt LS where people who don't use the program are getting benefit, where are you getting that it isn't actually benefiting anyone other than them?

The way I see it anyone getting those call relays are getting benefit, not just the person with the 3rd party program.

So what exactly is upsetting you here? Did you want to keep the hunt spawn secret and not call it?

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You’d be surprised...I’ve seen groups/LSes try to do just that.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

If my hunt linkshell let's me know the boss is at <pos> then I'm going to tell my other chat channels the hunt mark is at <flag>.
I don't need to be in a zone to legitimately relay information. I like to help my linkshell-less FC mates and other shells sometimes!

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I'm aware of that, but when people are instantly sending out relays when there's nobody else within eyeshot of a S rank that spawned in front of me, it comes across as rather suspicious.

I'm also aware that can people can find hunts very quickly, particularly in wide open zones where you can see them easily, but this is happening frequently even in areas with tons of trees, hills, and other obstructions that make it difficult to spot the S rank until you're close to it, such as East Shroud and Coerthas Central Highlands. And logically, if someone did find a hunt that quickly, I'd expect them to already be standing next to it when I get there, but I sometimes encounter them still in transit or even get there before them at times.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I don't want to defend the usage of 3rd party apps, but if you're admitting these people are relaying calls to hunt LS where people who don't use the program are getting benefit, where are you getting that it isn't actually benefiting anyone other than them?

The way I see it anyone getting those call relays are getting benefit, not just the person with the 3rd party program.

So what exactly is upsetting you here? Did you want to keep the hunt spawn secret and not call it?

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I like to wait until all of the people in my private linkshell arrive before calling it publicly, since they're all players who actually try to spawn/locate S ranks on a regular basis.

It feels only right for the people who've been doing work to get first dibs on them, and they've missed out sometimes because of people instantly calling them and one of the server's resident "early" pullers getting there before them.

Oh well, it happens on Cerberus now.

We have someone who use radar, wait and move if it spawn. We /follow him when we see him move, he just doing a line to the S. Why play legit when you can just follow one ppl and get your S so fast :rolleyes: