Radical thought...remove the off-tank?

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Originally Posted by Miste

People have posted some reasons why it might "hurt"....I'm guessing you didn't read any responses.

I don't even play tank but I can see potential issues with people who prefer to play tank unable to get groups because suddenly groups only need one tank, especially when it comes to savage since the raiding community is small.

Also the raiding meta issue. Balance is already hard enough so making content only need one tank...there is obvious issues with that. Going to have 3 tanks fighting over 1 spot (and what if down the line they add more tank jobs?), sounds bad already even in theory.

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I did read it.. I just don't really agree with it? Either way it's not a fix anyhow and all I'm really saying is my opinion that I think it might help. I mean people complain everything is so brain dead so I figure OP\s' idea is an easy way to make things harder. I'm not saying it's perfect or it'll def work.. but it's an idea more or less.

Reducing to one tank will basically mean RIP DRK and WAR basically. Paladin is the current dominant tank and to have three tanks fight over one spot will be a nightmare to balance.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I think it would be neat to have some fights, not all, that require different setups, and not have them base around the standard setup.

Not talking class make up, more role make up. Hope it makes sense.

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So what happens to founded statics? "Sorry I know you chose those jobs because you love them, but one of you is going to have to get an alternate gear set because we can't take our normal group into the new content."

The role make-up of a party can be creatively stifling, but it definitely does more good than harm.

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Originally Posted by Hikuras

I'm in agreement with the OP.. Look if people want things to matter in this game changes do have to be made. I think getting rid of the offtank is a step in the right path. I mean what could it hurt? I only see good things in that it makes content harder which is what most want right?

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You've never played a tank in this game before, have you?

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Originally Posted by Airget

Nope. The whole reason the 2 tank and 2 healer party comp exist is because if one falls you always have a backup. It allows the party to recover. Think about how much more frustrating content would be if because the tank died you had to wipe and start over because you have no one to pickup the slack from their death.

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That assumes that the offtank takes over though. *thinks about the time in a trial where half the party died before the offtank had aggro and even then it appears to have been unintentional to actually get aggro*

Fortunately, that's not a common scenario.

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Originally Posted by aesteval

That assumes that the offtank takes over though. *thinks about the time in a trial where half the party died before the offtank had aggro and even then it appears to have been unintentional to actually get aggro*

Fortunately, that's not a common scenario.

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Common enough I've seen it happen, multiple times last night.

Twice in Rabanastre, Once in Lakshmi Ext, Once in Susanoo Ext, and once in O1S. In all cases, the offtank picked it up fine. Would have been wipes otherwise.

I've thought about this before, I wouldn't mind seeing this through. As a tank I don't like having other tanks and the swapping or secondary mobs some bosses aren't enough to justify the benefit reducing tank requirement
would bring to ques.

Except for in high risk content such as savage, should probably have 2-3 tanks for that in case some die, but then again if that happens doesn't that mean you're screwed anyways cause of enrage or whatnot, I don't raid.

To be clear, I never said this should be done. This was a "what if", phrased as an honest question. It seemed a good way to help level the queues and eliminate cases where the OT feels like a glorified DPS, that's all.

Considering this would be for roulettes and easier content, why not? It worked for raids. Just leave it for hard content. This wouldn't solve the main problem though, leveling roulette.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Nope. The whole reason the 2 tank and 2 healer party comp exist is because if one falls you always have a backup. It allows the party to recover. Think about how much more frustrating content would be if because the tank died you had to wipe and start over because you have no one to pickup the slack from their death.

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Yeah and I like off tanking and being able to have room for 2 tanks in raids. Why take away a playstyle from a whole section of players? many people build for off tank and only off tank and thats their fun.