What will Happen to old 24 raid content?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

So don't do them? Many people like the 24 man raids. Besides, isn't the more options the better? People want horizontal progression.

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If they offer upgrade items. 'Just don't do them' is not an option for raiders.

They won't though, so it's a moot point. Even if they did they'd be removed before the next tier comes out because that would be silly.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

If that person isn't progressing in Savage then why should they think that the Creation gear Upgrades are "mandatory"?

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Literally exactly the point. They won't make raiders do this old trash content.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

Shudders at the thought of roulette Ozma.

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The thought of that excites me to be honest.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

If they offer upgrade items. 'Just don't do them' is not an option for raiders.

They won't though, so it's a moot point. Even if they did they'd be removed before the next tier comes out because that would be silly.



Literally exactly the point. They won't make raiders do this old trash content.

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Well, if you are a raider, you get upgrade items from raiding. They have always added the upgrade items to the 24 mans, its a catch up patch. If you are wanting to upgrade, raid or do the 24 mans or hunt. otherwise, stay at i330.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

Shudders at the thought of roulette Ozma.

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What exactly is the difference between that now and running it with pugs when it came out?

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

What exactly is the difference between that now and running it with pugs when it came out?

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Patience level on top of amount of new players that may be doing that content. When it comes to Ozma, it wasn't tough at first, only midway through because you started to get less skilled players doing it with more impatient players joining in.

With the roulette odds are those who will be using it mostly are new players attempting to get content done that have 0 experience with the content on top of possibly 0 experience with their job. That's a huge different from what first happened.

It does get to a point where SE should seriously consider adding in a training room so that Mentor's can invite newer players to help showcase and explain abiliies it would help a lot since it can come off as very hostile if you are in a dungeon and notice a DPS isn't using their AOE when they should be using it.

Having to explain it is already a DPS loss to yourself but then it's made worse if you simplify it.

You could say "In a situation like this where that are at least 4+ mobs it's more efficient to spam your AOE since you will be dealing more DPS as a whole compared to your single target combo" or trying to say "Use your AOE move it does more damage" that's assuming they know the ability which means you have to them look at their job and go "Use Death Blossom it will deal more dmg"

Like the otherday I didn't pay much mind to it til near the end of the dungeon(last boss) but I had started wondering why it felt like the other DPS wasn't keeping up with their damage.

So I take a look at what they're casting and realize, oh no they are using Fire 3 exclusively without Fire for the instant Fire 3 proc, but the dungeon was near completion so there wasn't really any time to explain the nuances of the job to the player to help them play better.

Honestly with making cross-world play easier, SE really should consider creating instances that allows the Leader to setup dummies to showcase abilities and give players a gauge over the range of each ability as well as the potency of said abilities when used.

I personally wouldn't mind helping fellow players if they introduced a location that made it easy to showcase abilities.

I look forward to finally being able to get clears on the crystal tower raids. Haven't been able to even get into them yet.