Lack of enthrallment in SB (spoilers?)

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

The thing that was removed from us pre-Heavensward by Midgardsormr, and would've led to Heavensward ending super early with us fighting Ravana?

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Except no primal even tried to temper us while our blessing was gone ? I mean, other people here explained already where I was wrong, but the "primal threat" never existed to begin with with the few primals we fought while our blessing was gone.

^ Except that Ravana was regarded enough of a threat that only the WoL and Ysayle went to confront the primal. Estinien stayed behind with Alphinaud, as the chance of being tempered was too high to risk, whether or not Ravana was actually going to do so.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I believe that Tempering in general does not strip an individual of reason, no matter which Primal does it. It simply renders the individual fanatically loyal to the Primal in question. There are cases where individuals are OVERtempered, such as that of Loon Gah's mother in the Amalj'aa beast tribe quests (she was pretty much rendered a vegetable through repeated Temperings), but those are exceptional cases, not the norm. How individuals handle that fanatical loyalty vary from individual to individual. Nael became a crazed lunatic, while Louisouix was much more cold and methodical in advancing Bahamut's designs.

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Don't forget (especially after all those Sasthasha Hard runs that keep coming up in DF) that what you're referring to as OVERtempering can also manifest physical changes. Members of the Drowned are followers of Leviathan after 1 Drowning, but they are punished with subsequent drownings for failure which not only strip them of more and more of their will (Something that I believe Koji-Fox addresses somewhere on these forums) but physical changes begin to occur. Ifrit's Tempered all have red eyes while the Drowned all have indigo facial markings.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Except no primal even tried to temper us while our blessing was gone ? I mean, other people here explained already where I was wrong, but the "primal threat" never existed to begin with with the few primals we fought while our blessing was gone.

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And it was said ingame that primals dont even need to actively temper anyone to do that. Being in their presence too long seems to do the deal too and since this was never a big point in the HW story part when we did not have our blessing back, it seems that its the echo that does it. Also Krile who only has the echo went with us to the warring triad and came out of this without any signs of being tempered. If I remember it correctly she was chosen to go with us because she had the echo while the rest kept our back free from tempered followers.

It seems tempering comes from exposure to a primals corrupt aether... normally it leaks off them like a loose gas pipe... long enough exposure will temper you.... they can also create a burst of it to force temper.... the echo protects us from the side effects of concentrated aether which is why we can port all over with no ill effects..

Yeah, the others have this one pretty much in the bag. The echo, for whatever reason, allows one to resist being tempered. Technically speaking, the Echo has a large series of powers, many of which we players don't understand. Apparently it's even what allows the Ascians to do their soul transfer, as evidenced by the echo-possessing Sahagin priest who was able to switch between different bodies. According to Elidibus, if the Scions mange to 'master the echo' they will be 'on the same side' as him, a mysterious note from a very mysterious character. In the case of Stormblood, it visibly allowed the characters to survive tempering from Shinryuu and Lakshmi. Zenos also managed to survive tempering from Shinryu thanks to his artificial echo powers granted to him by the Resonant procedure. As far as Susano goes, we have seen Primals who do not wish or bother to temper thralls before, and the cheerful Susano falls in that camp as well.