[Request] Please make event gear harder to get outside of in-game events.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Do you know you're actively petitioning Square to stop getting more money? It's why I'm not bothered about the outcome of this thread. It's just funny to me.

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I'm suggesting that they stand to make more by encouraging active participation in-game through active subscription (money for SE), rather than hoping people buy the stuff of Mogstation. My point is that more people in game and in event is a good thing, and event rewards are the carrot (carrots vs sticks/ positive vs negative reinforcement) that is intended to do that. Making those rewards available outside the game for $$ reduces their effectiveness as carrots.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Exclusivity is a cancer killing gaming, and anyone who supports it is what's wrong with gaming nowadays.

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This! This quote. A thousand times this. Like... I want the Zantetsuken emote from the Odin statue - but I cannot justify paying $130.00+ for just an emote and a statue I can't put up because my cats will probably try to attack it. I don't make a fuss about it because that's how S-E chooses to release it. Much like how they choose to release the exclusive event gear at their discretion. If you want it, you should of been there to get it. Missed it? Just pick it up on the MH once it becomes available.

Or not. I don't care. I don't pay for your sub.

There's so much bigger fish to fry such as the housing situation and why S-E should really be trying to mend that broken garbage heap they call housing or trying to figure out an answer or solution to other bigger topics. I see posts like this over and over and it's no small wonder why bigger topics get overshadowed.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I'm suggesting that they stand to make more by encouraging active participation in-game through active subscription (money for SE), rather than hoping people buy the stuff of Mogstation. My point is that more people in game and in event is a good thing, and event rewards are the carrot (carrots vs sticks/ positive vs negative reinforcement) that is intended to do that. Making those rewards available outside the game for $$ reduces their effectiveness as carrots.

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So for the people who decided not to subscribe during those events, those events should just go all year around or... not sure I follow your logic here. If it's advertisement outside of the game I don't argue that they (S-E) should do more to publicly broadcast it outside of their subscription base. But this almost seems like you're suggesting the events, seasonal or otherwise, should be extended to give those even a better benefit of trying to do them.

I missed the Lightning/FFXIII event and I ended up buying the gear on the Mogstation. I didn't complete the event which would of been great but I wanted the gear and the hair so I sucked it up and bought it on the Mogstation. Sure, people may of missed the event, but why deprive others who are willing to purchase them? My wallet, my choice. No one has a gun to my head. If I want it, I'll dish out the cash. Much like the Odin statue (/cry)

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Yeah, there's no inconsistency in my posts. I'm not the one complaining that gear that was designed an implemented in game should be made available via the MogStation because I missed the event for <insert reasons>. Demanding that event items be made available seems to me to be case of entitlement since you missed the event itself, so why should the gear be made available outside the game so you can obtain it for $$? Entitlement?

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And it can be said your entitlement is that you were there for it and got it, while those that weren't don't deserve it because they failed to participate.

What if someone who comes to the game late, wants the gear from that event for glamour(they have an active subscription, but started - lets say 2 weeks - after the event ended)? Do they not deserve the option of being able to buy it from Mogstation, if they desire? In the end, it is more money in SE pocket to do it this way as not everyone is around for all events.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Also, event items from the prior year should continue to be sold in-game during the following year's event, using whatever event currency/token is implemented for the event.

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That would be great, but it makes no commercial sense. The playerbase has obviously accepted that event items may be purchased from Mogstation. Removing them from there and reintroducing them to in-game vendors would be throwing away money at this point.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Exclusive perks help drive sales during certain periods (example, pre-ordering a game). Heck, it's driven me to pre-order a few things myself. It's a valid business tactic.

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Yes. But it is completely inefficient business tactic for ongoing things. For MMO games, exclusivity is actually killing the business. There are many people that like collecting stuff, and if they know they won't have any chance of finishing their collection, they won't play the game at all.

As for the argument that the event stuff is the "carrot", I'm afraid that doesn't hold grounds either, here. Hardly any person will ever buy something from mog station if they don't play the game, and to play the game, they will have to pay the subscription. If they paid the subscription, then they can get the event or not at their leisure. If they DID pay for the subscription and DIDN'T get the item due to whatever reason, but want it, then they will buy it. That way, Square Enix earns from BOTH the subscription AND the mog station at once.
Then add to that people that weren't yet playing during the event that will want the items.

All in all, this business tactic earns them more money AND makes more players happier. Mature players don't care about others having these things either, since they are just for the looks. Unfortunately elitism, even completely pointless where the only difference is when you found the game etc., is wide-spread in western and central communities of the world.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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Sorry, but I can't agree.

Event items like the moogle attire can only be obtained if you went to FanFest 2014, or the Luna and Tidus outfits on FanFest 2016, what of those of us that can't go to these events but want them due to lack of finance, or had a Real life event of our own that prevented us from acquiring them. At least this way we have a silver lining on the horizon where we can say:" I can still get it eventually..."

There are also the regionally exclusive gear and minions that eventually landed in the Mogstation. Considering the disaster that resulted from the Maid and Butler attires in regions outside of JP and NA, I'd expect those to pop up in time.

Basically, I don't understand OP's argument. People who got to do the event got the experience of the event itself and the items/emotes/furniture for free if they were up for grinding it. If you happened to miss it, no worries, it'll be on the Mogstation when the next event starts up.

It's good to do it both ways. Don't see a problem.

Really, I feel like people like the OP are why the new Summer Stuff is just dyable Shisui gear instead of something new and exclusive...

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Originally Posted by Avatre

And it can be said your entitlement is that you were there for it and got it, while those that weren't don't deserve it because they failed to participate.

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I don't see how you think you can extend the definition of entitlement used in the way you are using it. If a player was subscribed and participated in the event then they did in fact earn the reward. Those players qualified to obtain it. Players not subscribed at the time did not qualify. Wanting something you did not in fact qualify to receive is 'Entitlement' in the context of how you are applying the word. Players believing that they are entitled even though the to not meet the requirements to qualify are displaying an attitude 'entitlement' when they demand the reward anyway.

In any case, as I said in my original post event items from the prior year(s) should be available in game for the in-game event tokens/currency used for the event when it next runs. So Moonfire Fair 2015/2016 items would be at the event vendor during this year's events. That gives plenty of opportunity for newer players or players who missed the prior event to obtain the items they want. This allows people who participate in the current event to earn the token/currency they need to obtain those older items in game.

After that, if they must go to the Mogstation then I suppose they must, but again, like I said in the post, perhaps it should only be during the time of the event in game. So in the example above Moonfire Fair items from 2013 & 2014 could be made available on the MogStation, while the 2015/2016 were still in game.

I'm not suggesting that these things should be a single shot possibility. I think they should be available in following years events.

As for your last question, no they should wait for the event the following year and obtain the things then.

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Originally Posted by Fortune_Cookie

That would be great, but it makes no commercial sense. The playerbase has obviously accepted that event items may be purchased from Mogstation. Removing them from there and reintroducing them to in-game vendors would be throwing away money at this point.

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You are ignoring the benefit of increasing the value of the subscription to players who might otherwise unsub. Allowing players to obtain event items exclusively in-game during the event is a way to retain subscribers. That is a commercial benefit, and more subscribers translates to more players making worlds busier, and that has a positive impact as well.

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

So for the people who decided not to subscribe during those events, those events should just go all year around or... not sure I follow your logic here. If it's advertisement outside of the game I don't argue that they (S-E) should do more to publicly broadcast it outside of their subscription base. But this almost seems like you're suggesting the events, seasonal or otherwise, should be extended to give those even a better benefit of trying to do them.

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No. I am suggesting that, during this year's moonfire faire event the items from the prior 2 years should be available for purchase at the event vendor. But once the event ends, they would not be available for sale in-game. For example, at moonfire faire this year, the 2015/2016 items could be available for whatever token they are using this year during the event. So players who missed out in the previous two years would have a chance to obtain the items during the current event. Not extending the event across the year. I also suggested that items from 3 or more years ago could be put up in the Mogstation - since they are no longer in-game.

The purpose of the suggestion is to increase the value of the events in game, by retaining the items as in-game rewards only for longer than is currently the case. And then either not making them available any longer, or placing them in the Mogstation, but only once they more than 2 events old.

After the "exclusive" FanFest 2014-only Mog Attire was released on the MogStation, I realized that nothing is sacred.

I don't really love the practice of throwing things on the MogStation, but if it's going to make SE money, you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to do it.

Moreover, generally speaking, these items were "exclusive" for a while. We usually don't see them in the MogStation until about a year or so later.

It's a touchy subject, but I would be extremely surprised if SE decided to stop this practice.

...and heck, I guess it means I can get my Yuna gear in like...two years or something.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I'm suggesting that they stand to make more by encouraging active participation in-game through active subscription (money for SE), rather than hoping people buy the stuff of Mogstation. My point is that more people in game and in event is a good thing, and event rewards are the carrot (carrots vs sticks/ positive vs negative reinforcement) that is intended to do that. Making those rewards available outside the game for $$ reduces their effectiveness as carrots.

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You play or you don't play. If SE makes money either way then it benefits the company.

This is not a hybrid payment model like ESO, subscribers get the same perks whether 1 month or for the duration. Starting when SE stopped the veteran rewards build up. It's a sub game with an optional cash shop.

And I don't consider anything Entitlement unless you get something free that should cost money because one might believe they deserve special treatment.

Exclusivity is what almost killed the subscribe to play model and caused me to quit playing ESO. Sure you can play it free, but you don't get the whole package.