[dev1081]Achievements already earned

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Originally Posted by Deminia

Yes, I will synth again, but I would never synth another huge batch of items again the way I normally would while skilling up. We have to redo all of those lower levels just to get our achievements, whereas the fighting classes are not required to go out to kill masses of lower level mobs that give no experience.

Anyone who has leveled a craft has already spent hours on end wasting time to gain levels by grinding on mats that ended up getting vendored - and now we have to waste all of that time and all of those materials again.

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Your not wasting your time. You don't have to do them, no one is making you do these achievements. And don't you expect to play this game for a long time? A friend on our very own server just got his golden alembic yesterday. He said it only took him a couple days. BAM

It's doable. You just have to apply yourself. And about the battle classes getting and, it's because the achievement system on the lodestone allowed for that because it was already being counted where as your crafts weren't.

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Originally Posted by SnickleWhiskers

well when they add 51-60 needing 5k synths then we could complain more. isn't slugging through to 50 a synth more then enough?

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when that happens we will have had a cap raise so it wont be repeating anything as much


as far as the overall thread

we have been through this before, and it comes down to 1 pure fact


people who like to craftr and gather, didnt stop when they hit 50
they are still doing it, so doing all these again is a continuation of what they are doing
yes they coulda figured something out to go retroactive with all this, but notice how NOTHING but these new non retro achievemnts got golden items for them? thats our reward for redoing it

also take note, someone going to 50 fresh WILL NOT earn these on the way, they will have to backtrack a little too cuz it requires more then you will actualy be doing(this goes double for gathering)

and no one has any advantage over anyone else, we are all on equal footing here, so its a fair shot at getting them all quite easily.


i for one am already well into working on all of them again, itl take a few months to get them all, but thats part of the fun of it for me. the challenge of keeping my sanity lol

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Originally Posted by Giant

instead of saying syn 20, 300 1000 2000, they should have done it "Get lv-10, Get Lv20 .. etc" it is easy to find better ways to do it than just forcing people to re-do everything on gathering and crafting

Simply, it is not a nice way to reward people for doing things in-game. not at all

I lost my faith on SE. It looks like 'data wipe' for me. if they doing it now, what prevent them to do it again later when PS2 release / 2.0 release !! what prevent them from saying to raise your cap you need to get X achievement !!

I do not trust SE anymore

sorry, but this is my opinion.

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um....

there are achievments for gaining levels already, these are extras on top of that

I've seen a lot of feedback concerning how gatherers and crafters kinda got the short end of the stick on the achievements. While I do agree that it's excessive what they have to do to get their achievements, it's understandable that SE decided to track some stats and not others.

Based on how much discussion this is getting, I wouldn't be surprised that they may come up with a formula based on class level to determine an average amount of gathers/crafts you've done by the time the achievement tracking count comes into play. (1.20b I believe?)

no offense guys, I'm just chilling :--)


/angrymode ON

[IF] SE changed it and made it Auto-Get if you already Lv50, does that bother players who are not 50 yet?

Answer options:

a) Yes, they will hate us more ( which is bad habit )

b) No, they don't care ( then be nice to us please and let us get it )

/angrymode OFF


Dear SE
Dear Yoshi-P
Dear Moderators

Please hear my poor lalafell voice \^-^/

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I've seen a lot of feedback concerning how gatherers and crafters kinda got the short end of the stick on the achievements. While I do agree that it's excessive what they have to do to get their achievements, it's understandable that SE decided to track some stats and not others.

Based on how much discussion this is getting, I wouldn't be surprised that they may come up with a formula based on class level to determine an average amount of gathers/crafts you've done by the time the achievement tracking count comes into play. (1.20b I believe?)

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Like I said, the absolute most they'd probably do is grant you the achievements for one region only, leaving you two other regions to complete. I think it would be more fair to dole it out based on guild mark points personally. That said, I have absolutely no issue with going back through grade I through IV nodes.

Just for my sanity, I'm not going to do it all at once. A little here, a little there. I except to have them done by 1.21.



TheVedis said it best, so I'll just repost it here:

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

people who like to craftr and gather, didnt stop when they hit 50
they are still doing it, so doing all these again is a continuation of what they are doing
yes they coulda figured something out to go retroactive with all this, but notice how NOTHING but these new non retro achievemnts got golden items for them? thats our reward for redoing it

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Originally Posted by Giant

no offense guys, I'm just chilling :--)


/angrymode ON

[IF] SE changed it and made it Auto-Get if you already Lv50, does that bother players who are not 50 yet?

Answer options:

a) Yes, they will hate us more ( which is bad habit )

b) No, they don't care ( then be nice to us please and let us get it )

/angrymode OFF


Dear SE
Dear Yoshi-P
Dear Moderators

Please hear my poor lalafell voice \^-^/

Thank you

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why would they auto give us it when earning level 50 and earning x crafts/gathers are different achievment


also add in how many people used tons of leves to go up in ranks(which elimates TONS of gathers and synths required at ranges)

no one except those who were actively overdoing everything all this time even after 50 may have even been close to earning it
and somehow i bet they dont care cuz they are redoing it

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Originally Posted by morpheus

Looking at the crafting and gathering achievements now and just getting frustrated. First they are pretty insane but that doesn't really bother me. Whats bothering me is i already did these, well the crafting ones anyway and some of the gathering ones. I understand SE might not of had a counter running for these achievements before but if someone has all of this these classes to 50 or even some they should of credited them something even if it was half completion. Example would be 41-50 carpenter achievement requires 3000 synths. They should least give someone who had the craft to 50 at least 1500 of that 3000 to start out with. Bottom line it takes x amount of synths to get 50. The crafting achievements are basically set up in line with someone going from zero to fifty. Already did this once, I shouldn't have to do it again.

Cliffs:
Excessive achievements that some people basically already did
SE should of done something instead of just taking the lazy way out

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Hi morpheus,

I totally agree.

Even if Square didn't have a way to track Crafting synths (unlike Battle / Combat Kills) before this patch, since they *are* crediting all Disciples of War & Magic with their Combat Achievements garnered from Day 1 until now, on principle, they should to the same for Disciples of the Hand and Land.

A simple solution someone brought up would be:

* Square knows how much EXP is required to level from Level 1 --> to 50. Just grant an average EXP value (something fair (e.g., ~200 - 300 EXP per Synth / Attempt)) and calculate the # of Synths that is.

* Credit all the Gatherers and Crafters up to their current Level.


It's true that we may still craft and make items after this patch (of course), but for those of us that are Level 50, the sheer # of Synths / Attempts / Chops, etc. is something very few have the incentive to do all over again.

Crafting is boring enough, but redoing 5,600 Synth Attempts is ludicrous.

I hope Yoshida-san and team considers a fair and equitable solution for Gatherers and Crafters on this issue. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

why would they auto give us it when earning level 50 and earning x crafts/gathers are different achievment
We actually get Lv50 by doing crafts/gathers.
We didn't get Lv50 by doing quest only :))


also add in how many people used tons of leves to go up in ranks(which elimates TONS of gathers and synths required at ranges)
We used Leve because SE told us to level up using leves. Yoshi-P changed it a few weeks ago? Does this give him the right to eliminate all our works because he changed his mind? :) That's would be very high level of "customer care" :D



no one except those who were actively overdoing everything all this time even after 50 may have even been close to earning it
and somehow i bet they dont care cuz they are redoing it

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I'm here to let SE hear my voice :)

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Originally Posted by Giant

I'm here to let SE hear my voice :)

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while those are valid points, you do end up with a ton of people(me for instance) who wouldnt have earned certain ones who would get freebies to satisfy those who feel entitled to get them

thing is, no ones entitled to them without redoing them now, i can almost guarentee you 0% of the population earned ANY of these unless they were one of the earliest 50s in the game

after the exp patches, everything changed and you woulda gone beyond the ammount needed for each purely cuz of how much extra exp you woulda gotten

and for gatherers, again, they wouldnt even be close to getting the tool(even moreso for those who went to coerthas)



this isnt about wether or not they care about us
they warned us about this MONTHS ago, did anyone whine or listen then? no

hell i was even ready to go back and do my kills again(which im glad i dont have to, but i was willing to)



in the end though, notice how war/magic users didnt get any special golden items, all they got was a crown and a few titles

we get cool golden tools(which may suck, but they are still cool looking)

and the fact that itl be rare to earn it now, will make it mean that much more when we do get them


also those who are 50 now, who only got 50 to get 50 and dont touch these things again, they will cry the loudest cuz they really dont wanna redo ANYTHING, those people DO NOT deserve these items of course

and thats what these achievments will do, seperate those of us who want them cuz we are true gather and crafters
from those who us who didnt wanna do them to begin with