Some PLD changes I'd like to see

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Originally Posted by ThunderGodThor

My mistake, you still take damage intended for the covered with cover active even with hallowed, hallowed only seems to block the damage intended for you. This needs testing. In my experience, resistance buffs like rampart DO actually decrease the damage incoming with cover, on top of what enhanced cover does.

I found this post, but since it's a year old, it may no longer be accurate; https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...din_and_cover/

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Yeah, I believe it was a hotfix shortly after 2.1 that ensured Hallowed could only affect damage already intended for you.

What would be truly overpowered is if you were to receive only what damage passes through the other tank, or even just if Intervention applied its damage reduction first. Not recommending that, but it is an interesting thought.

For now Cover just allows the OT to be shielded instead as to forgo Shield Oath for either tank in fights where the tankbuster occurs every 60 seconds or more, such as Susano. OT Shelltrons, MT Interventions. Sense.

Can we get back on topic and ignore the troll bait. First page was worthwhile reading. Just ignore all bait and they will go away

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Originally Posted by Gravton

Holy Spirit: I don't think it needs to be changed, it just confuses me. Why did they give a frontline fighter a ranged attack before giving him a gap closer? I rarely use this ability outside of mele range. (Except for PvP) It's not like I can use it on the move while closing the gap. I just don't understand the design choice.

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I have one word for you my friend - slidecast.

Seriously I've lost count of the number of gaps I've closed while using this ability.

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Originally Posted by Fefi_D

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Paladin should have something vaguely resembling a gap closer. Cover doing it would be great!

Tempered Will has, over time, kind of become a meme and it's a bit annoying. Shouldn't be ignored by mechanics nearly as much as it is.

I actually thought Intervention was really great...

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Originally Posted by Vallamaria

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Hey my dude I am just as if not more salty than anyone with the current drk/war situation, but just because plds are in the best shape does not mean things are perfect for them. They deserve to and should continue to give feedback to try and improve their QoL the same way as the others who have it worse do.

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Originally Posted by Umbeliel

Hey my dude I am just as if not more salty than anyone with the current drk/war situation, but just because plds are in the best shape does not mean things are perfect for them. They deserve to and should continue to give feedback to try and improve their QoL the same way as the others who have it worse do.

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Yeah, but what I was trying to point out is that PLDs who are already definitively superior at literally everything when it comes to Tanking aren't exactly in any dire need of immediate extra improvements when the other two Tanks are still so heavily lacking. Since when I see PLDs asking for even more improvements when they're already so lacking in any remaining downsides just feels rather greedy and selfish. I mean they don't need to be this exalted image of pure absolute flawless perfection. Sometimes a few downsides are actually necessary to maintain a degree of balance. One can't always just simply have literally everything without giving up even a single thing in return. Since at the moment they're currently the best Tank for damage, mitigation, raid utility, AND even self-healing. There's not a single thing they can't do better. Which is why it bugs the hell out of me that they can't just simply be satisfied with already being the best and having taken literally everything from DRK/WAR. Also, it's very hard to have any faith in SE properly fixing things for the other Tanks given the extremely sad state they left PLD in for all of 3.X. So naturally many DRK/WAR players are worried that SE won't properly address this situation and are going to leave them in such a severely gutted state until 5.0.

The only thing about PLD that bugs me right now is that Shield/Sword Oath are still on the GCD for some reason.

I still don't find it as satisfying to play as WAR or DRK somehow, even if it is objectively better. I think might be that their attack animations and sounds just lack oomph.

would like a POA buff display icon on party members UI, you just dont know if it is affecting them.

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Originally Posted by Fefi_D

3) Cover

Might just be me but I never use this skill ... ever. Actually I took it off my bar again. Even enhanced cover just does nothing for me personally. I'd like to see cover changed to the current10% Intervention effect with Enhanced Cover adding the ability to transfer 50% of Rampart / Sentinel Effects.

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Why would you want to weaken Cover like that ? On it's own, Enhanced Cover offers the same mitigation as Intervention+Rampart, and you can pop Rampart on top of that.

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Originally Posted by Poison_Rose

I have one word for you my friend - slidecast.

Seriously I've lost count of the number of gaps I've closed while using this ability.

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LOL, I know that =) I play smn from time to time. I'm just saying it feels weird. I understand there are times where we are out of mele range but 99.9% of the rest of the time? Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for its removal, I just thought it odd that we got it instead of a gap closer.

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Originally Posted by Fefi_D

1) Flash

I'd like to see the enmity generated on this reduced a tad. The recent buff to it was incredibly heavy handed and as the primary source of aoe agro generation, I feel this skill is too strong.

2) Total Eclipse

I'd like to see a small enmity generation added to this to complement my suggested reduced enmity gains on Flash. Why? Because it adds a little variety. While the grand scheme of things won't change on holding agro on aoe packs, I find this particular skill quite boring to use right now. I also never use it outside of dungeons, and Goring Blade combo will still be the chain of choice on 3 enemies.

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This just keeps the two skills the same as they are now. In fact, you might not even use Flash if Total Eclipse has enmity generation. The blind isn't really worth the damage loss when you've got actual CDs to mitigate the incoming damage.

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3) Cover

Might just be me but I never use this skill ... ever. Actually I took it off my bar again. Even enhanced cover just does nothing for me personally. I'd like to see cover changed to the current10% Intervention effect with Enhanced Cover adding the ability to transfer 50% of Rampart / Sentinel Effects.

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This is worse than current Cover unless you pop Sentinel with it and getting it back to current Cover would require you pop Rampart. Dunno why you'd want this.

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4) Intervention

Another fairly lackluster skill. Right now tank busters aren't dealing enough damage to need more mitigation and PLD really lacks both a gap closer and gauge dump skill.
I, personally, would like to see this changed entirely to:

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Right now, no. In Savage (aka the 8man content where Intervention is relevant) I can see Intervention filling CD holes for cleaves or helping another party member (healer/DPS) mitigate a mechanic targeted on them. It's extremely strong in that regard and only really worthless in 4man content, in which you have Sheltron to use your gauge on anyway.

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Cast: Instant, Recast: 15s
Range: 15y, Radius 0y
Effect: Creates a beam of light to draw the Paladin to their target and damages with a potency of 100.
Shield Oath effect: Increased enmity.
Sword Oath effect: Restores MP.
Oath Gauge cost: 50
Can only be executed while under the effect of Sword Oath or Shield Oath.
Cannot be executed while bound.

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This would be ok, but hardly a replacement for something as strong as Intervention.