Red Mages Needs a Bit More Complexity

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Originally Posted by DestroidNGS

That's cool man, different strokes and all. RDM is great fun.

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I wish we could do a bit more with melee somehow. Maybe a melee move like verholy/flare that is a cap move to a verwhite or verblack combo. It could be a rush with a big thrust at the end if at long range, or some type of jump away attack if in melee range. It would be a cool way to string the whole kit together. Use jolt, instant cast verwhite/black, melee cap move (finale?) To jump in do melee combo, jump out and pop verholy/flare. Some type of thing like that would be near I think.

Or maybe the melee cap move allows for your enhanced melee combo to not use mana. Or your next non enhanced combo generates mana?

Also, is your name a reference to the edm band destroid?

Making red mage more complex would require reworking mana, and adding a couple options to spend individual mana for a gain while keeping the 'use both to do the nuke combo'

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Originally Posted by Meta-Flare

Also, is your name a reference to the edm band destroid?

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Nah, it's a Robotech reference. Fitting for FFXIV, right? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

What you fail to realize

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You're a great conversationalist. I don't find those items that complex, hence this post. I see that you disagree. That's fine. :cool:

Its been so long since I thought about robotech... The memories haha

honestly, not every Job has to have a 35-button opener that you have to study.

some jobs just wanna go pewpewpew.

the general playstyle of RDM is incredibly fun as is, imo. and fun, is more important to me, than complexity. but to each his own.

Nah. I like it how it is.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

Actually what other classes need is a bit less complexity.

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Rather, balance should also take complexity into account: really easy means less personal damage. When something not as complex can do a hell of a lot more then everyone will want that... but some of us like little nuances.

the only "complexity" I might want to see is maybe, MAYBE how our spells interact with our melee combo, allowing us to do it more often, or for cheaper mana. or something. Actually making our sword more than an occasional lawn decoration

I'm not really good with ideas though. and as RDM stands, doing anything positive to the melee combo is going to be a massive buff.


But to get an idea out there... maybe something like Impact reducing the next weaponskill mana cost by 50%? I mean OBVIOUSLY not that exactly, but that kind of idea.


Another thing for "complexity", having attuning to mana mean something other than lowering the speed of the other? like maybe have it play with potencies? having red mana (in balance) have some sort effect on Jolt?

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Originally Posted by Frowny

Rather, balance should also take complexity into account: really easy means less personal damage. When something not as complex can do a hell of a lot more then everyone will want that... but some of us like little nuances.

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Mhm, it's an issue you cannot really solve.

If something else can achieve better results if you just "git gut", people will naturally want you to "git gut" instead of playing the easy thing. But if making use of class complexity isn't appropriately rewarding, it doesn't feel good to "git gut" at it either and there's little reason to play these classes. Doubly so when mechanics come into play and the already existing job complexity with intricate timings gets multiplied by invulnerability phases and the like - you'll just end up performing worse in spite of putting in more effort.

No matter what, you end up stepping on people's toes. So it's just a matter of whether you want effort to be rewarded or not.

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Originally Posted by DestroidNGS

Verstone and Verfire would benefit from more depth. Maybe adding a DoT effect to Verfire, or a small AoE explosion to Verstone - overall same potency. Thus, Verstone is good against tough targets surrounded by weaker ones, and Verfire is good against strong single targets.

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Trust me when I say you really don't want that. Your damage would be defined by RNG at certain moments. Just call it a blessing that the 300 potency is on thunder and aero vs stone and fire. Nothing is worse than DPS being hindered by lack of procs.