If AST/WHM is a thing, it's not because WHM is stronger than SCH

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Originally Posted by VanEinstein

The real problem here is just overall healer design. Unless they make a decision to homogenize the healers, I think we'll always see some form of disparity.

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So, Nerf AST's heals by around 75% percent? If they're gonna have such amazing utility, they need to pay out the nose for it in other areas. Maybe coordinating with their party a lot more to actually reach the MP threshold required. There's plenty of ways to heal, after all.

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Originally Posted by Kethic

Glancing at FF logs, White Mage doesn't have as much of a lead as I expected. It's early content, but late July will really shake this out.

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Why should WHM be so far ahead? SCH single target damage is pretty good on paper. AoE damage on the other hand...well...WHM is king there.

its not because whm is stronger than sch, its because a chocobo is stronger than a fairy, and a sch heals for half of what a whm or astro can.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

So, Nerf AST's heals by around 75% percent? If they're gonna have such amazing utility, they need to pay out the nose for it in other areas. Maybe coordinating with their party a lot more to actually reach the MP threshold required. There's plenty of ways to heal, after all.

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I think you misinterpreted my statement. I'm saying that ultimately all available healers need to be equal in capability, and that includes their utility. Any other scenario contributes to the problem we're already seeing. I'm not nearly articulate or creative enough to outline quite how you'd keep the class fantasy alive while managing to keep all three healers perfectly aligned, not to mention any future healer likely to be added. If AST output were to be nerfed by 75%, it would cease to function in current content. I get you're probably trying to say what others have said though, that it needs a different method of doing it's job, and if so I agree.

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Originally Posted by Tashim

its not because whm is stronger than sch, its because a chocobo is stronger than a fairy, and a sch heals for half of what a whm or astro can.

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^ This is pretty much it. Add to that the mana problems created (I'm not saying SCH is unplayable, mind you, I've cleared all content before Omega already on it multiple times, and am ilvl313 [not enough luck on Susano EX yet]), and SCH is made with a higher skill floor for less benefit (by comparison, my WHM/AST take less effort to provide the same or better healing at DPS...).

Our static Ast told us yesterday that he joined a Sunsano Ex grp with a whm which solo healed the whole fight - he himself haven't thrown in a single healing spell... he was just playing cards and dpsed in between... I think whms with their huge mana pool and haste-cds are doing pretty good in the end... maybe they are getting the main healer spot back on their flags while Ast takes the utility part... noc shields are just incredible overpowered in this state – sch seems to be the loser so far : /

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Originally Posted by Neela

WHM solo heal

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The current trials are very easy to solo heal if everyone knows what they're doing. It's really not an indication of any kind.
Besides, it's not like AST is unable to do the same thing. I don't see AST losing it's main healer role, and with how important Chain Strategem is, I do see SCH leaving despite being pretty lacking ATM.
SE is pushing a AST/WHM comp hard for some reason, but they don't understand that as long as other healers can reach a WHMs level of healing, they'll always take utility over slightly more heals.

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Originally Posted by Neela

Our static Ast told us yesterday that he joined a Sunsano Ex grp with a whm which solo healed the whole fight

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Yeah, WHM is incredibly powerful right now. They took care of the only thing that could cause problems, that is the rng nature of lilies. Now that we can get a lily with cure 2 100% time we can plan our assize, tetra and asylum around the reduced cd so it's ok. And right now, WHM has basically infinite mana and the strongest heals and dps in the game to justify the lack of utility. Confession stacks are still...meh. That mechanic should be reworked imho. It doesn't make whm any less powerful, but it's a silly and annoyting mechanic that doesn't add anything to the job. Everything else is working very well.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Now that we can get a lily with cure 2 100% time

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Wait, what? When? Didn't see this in the latest patchnotes. If that's true that's actually good, I can stop spamming Cure in order to prepare a shield for the next fight.

Looking at ff logs speed runs the killer comp is SCH/AST. No surprise there to be honest, it's still the same as in HW because WHM bring no utility.
Given how bad WHM scales with gear I'm willing to bet that even if SE didn't change anything that comp will come back hard in general play once ilvls get higher.

Just saying.