Midare Setsugekka doesnt do enough for how long it takes to pull off

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...Yeaaaaah. I'd say Midare Setsugekka is pretty effing strong.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

http://imgur.com/a/8d6CF

...Yeaaaaah. I'd say Midare Setsugekka is pretty effing strong.

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That damage is nuts but I'm looking at that Bloodbath heal and all I feel is hatred. SE took my skill from me and I will never forgive them. Of course SAM would be the job that heals like old school Inner Beast did back in the day. Of course SAM would have more sustain than WAR does after The Guttening.

Yeah I mad. I'm still leveling SAM too cause it's so damn fun, but I'll always be a WAR at heart.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

http://imgur.com/a/8d6CF

...Yeaaaaah. I'd say Midare Setsugekka is pretty effing strong.

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have you decided on how you are gonna gear? det crit DH?

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Originally Posted by shingenpride

have you decided on how you are gonna gear? det crit DH?

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Not my character in the screenshot I linked, I edited my post to reflect that. But I've been balancing DET/Crit/DH while keeping SS low as we don't have the math yet on which is best for potency.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

Not my character in the screenshot I linked, I edited my post to reflect that. But I've been balancing DET/Crit/DH while keeping SS low as we don't have the math yet on which is best for potency.

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As only a mid 50's SAM, I find the Shifu buff is enough SS for me right now. I seem to be able to get skills off pretty frequently without too many issues. I suppose we'll have to see if there are specific breakpoints needed at 70.

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Originally Posted by Quor

As only a mid 50's SAM, I find the Shifu buff is enough SS for me right now. I seem to be able to get skills off pretty frequently without too many issues. I suppose we'll have to see if there are specific breakpoints needed at 70.

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so far without having alot of 310/320 gear, im finding 2 sec gcd is enough, i think personally ill start to materia for det and dh,

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

From the FFXIV subreddit: http://imgur.com/a/8d6CF

...Yeaaaaah. I'd say Midare Setsugekka is pretty effing strong.

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All this talk about midare but you'll rarely use it once you get Hagakure.

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Originally Posted by Mordred

All this talk about midare but you'll rarely use it once you get Hagakure.

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Not really, hagakure would gramt you 60 kenki sure, which would then be used on Hissatsu: Guren, which has potency of 800, while Midare Setsugekka has a potency of 720. Just looking at 800 beats 720 sure, but Hissatsu: Guren is counted as an ability not a weapon skill so ot is not effected by Hissatsu: Kaiten which increases a weaponskills potency by 50%, and that brings Midare Setsugekka up too 1080, which easily makes Midare Setsugekka the better option.

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Originally Posted by Alchemii

Not really, hagakure would gramt you 60 kenki sure, which would then be used on Hissatsu: Guren, which has potency of 800, while Midare Setsugekka has a potency of 720. Just looking at 800 beats 720 sure, but Hissatsu: Guren is counted as an ability not a weapon skill so ot is not effected by Hissatsu: Kaiten which increases a weaponskills potency by 50%, and that brings Midare Setsugekka up too 1080, which easily makes Midare Setsugekka the better option.

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You should not calculate it like this. Midare Setsugekka requires 3 Sens and Kaiten requires 20 Kenki.
Hagakure allows us to create a direct relationship between Sen and Kenji where each Sen is worth 20 Kenki.

So essentially your Kaiten: Midare Setsugekka is worth 80 Kenki. So you can basically do both a Hissatsu: Guren and Hissatsu: Shinten for the same price as that one Midare Setsugekka. That's worth 1,100 potency and you'd still have 5 Kenki leftover. Then you take into account that the Kenki spenders are, as you said, not weaponskills and therefore you get this potency without cast time and between gcds.

Midare Setsugekka is amazing but once Hagakure is up and comes into play, it's not worth the cost relatively. That said, if all you do is spam Hissatsu: Shinten with Hagakure then it's not efficient either because Shinten is the least efficient Kenki spender. So you need something like Guren to dump the Kenki on for it to be worth trading.

Hagakure actually seems to math out to always be an increase after looking into it.