So why play anything other then paladin?

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Originally Posted by Awful

Sadly you're correct, i'm still gonna level Drk just because i've played it for so long but I will level Pld as my second class, these are valid concerns and I hope SE actually looks at the feedback instead of just telling us to "calm down".

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i wasn't very worried about balancing since i knew the data was from an earlier build - until they told us "to calm down". this was telling me: they have actually no plan what to do and can't say anything else since there is nothing to say. "calming down?" - hell no, just tell us what you plan to do to clean up this mess xD

1st point, No one would ever want to do 6 steel cyclones as long as We have decimate.
2nd point, you cannot achieve more than 3 steel cyclones or inner beasts in a beserk window. It is gated by unleash the best skill which is only available in dleverance.
3rd point, it's still. It going to be practical to do 6 fell cleave or decimates as you will miss out on an upheaval which is your highest gauge to potency attack.Rotation will be 5.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

1st point, No one would ever want to do 6 steel cyclones as long as We have decimate.
2nd point, you cannot achieve more than 3 steel cyclones or inner beasts in a beserk window. It is gated by unleash the best skill which is only available in dleverance.
3rd point, it's still. It going to be practical to do 6 fell cleave or decimates as you will miss out on an upheaval which is your highest gauge to potency attack.Rotation will be 5.

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You can do 6 FC+ Upheaval

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Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

Doesn't matter aslong as they can hold aggro the group will cover the loses, they may have slightly less power in aoe pulls but given they can manage the emnity far better and have the best mitigation will do it, it will leave healers with more time to aoe which maybe a dps increase based on how good your healer is.

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Warriors have the best damage mitigation though. Inner Beast, Vengeance, Rampart. Good job, mate.

leave pali alone it deserves everything it got the other tanks are fine (not really but lets not mess with pali please)

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

leave pali alone it deserves everything it got the other tanks are fine (not really but lets not mess with pali please)

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Pld's new job mechanics (req, holy spirit, intervention) are not the issue. They were a welcome addition. The massive degree of fluff buffs that they got (the FoF buff, adding +10-20 potency to literally every weaponskill they have and not pruning any of them like what happened with drk/war) is the problem. With current numbers a pld with sword oath turned off will still out-DPS both war and drk - surely no one needs to be told why that is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by MrsFluffyButt

Warriors have the best damage mitigation though. Inner Beast, Vengeance, Rampart. Good job, mate.

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Doesn't really matter. Mitigation overkill is a thing, just like overhealing. If PLD can comfortably survive everything in Sword Oath (and its skillset seems like it should be fine for that, especially since Sheltron works in Sword Oath and you can block magic) and do more DPS/have more utility at the same time, why bother taking a tank with higher mitigation?

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Originally Posted by Launched

Doesn't really matter. Mitigation overkill is a thing, just like overhealing. If PLD can comfortably survive everything in Sword Oath (and its skillset seems like it should be fine for that, especially since Sheltron works in Sword Oath and you can block magic) and do more DPS/have more utility at the same time, why bother taking a tank with higher mitigation?

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This. Just consider how ridiculously powerful XIV healers are. With so few globals required to refresh a tank's health, there's little time to be saved via mitigation, making the freed globals unlikely to outproduce the passive damage increase of a Paladin, even were a DRK or WAR significantly better mitigators. Beyond eHP (+shields), it's a slack game.

Some small changes I found.

FoF got nerfed, it's 25% on physical dmg, for 25s, down from 30% and 30s.
Upheaval got buffed, if your max HP is higher, you do more dmg. (Thrill of Battle!!!)
Souleater got buffed. (420, up from 400, with DA of course)
Inner Beast got buffed, 350, up from 300.
Defiance got buffed too, the dmg down is at 20% instead of 25%.

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Originally Posted by Greil

Some small changes I found.

FoF got nerfed, it's 25% on physical dmg, for 25s, down from 30% and 30s.
Upheaval got buffed, if your max HP is higher, you do more dmg. (Thrill of Battle!!!)
Souleater got buffed. (420, up from 400, with DA of course)
Inner Beast got buffed, 350, up from 300.
Defiance got buffed too, the dmg down is at 20% instead of 25%.

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Syphon strike restores more mp in grit apparently and holy Spirit increases oath gauge when in shield oath.