Revolutions Hype Thread

The trailer and music was amazing. Nobuo Uematsu is still the best composer ever :D EVERYONE should learn from him, he's so amazing.
I know one thing...saw one scene with Y'shtola trying to shield someone from Zenos's samurai sword and that better not mean she'll die in that scene. If Y'shtola dies things will go from serious to bahamut levels of serious for the warrior of light.

Also, so proud of the maelstrom :D

I'm terrible at blink-and-you'll-miss-it stuff in trailers, so I may have completely overlooked it, but I have a question for the sharper-eyed viewers:

Has anyone spotted Widargelt? AKA the Monk trainer, AKA Theodred, heir to Ala Mhigo's throne.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'm terrible at blink-and-you'll-miss-it stuff in trailers, so I may have completely overlooked it, but I have a question for the sharper-eyed viewers:

Has anyone spotted Widargelt? AKA the Monk trainer, AKA Theodred, heir to Ala Mhigo's throne.

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I personally haven't seen hide nor hair of him in the trailer and I honestly hope my eyes aren't tricking me. I don't think he has any place in the liberation of Ala Mhigo.

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ow look its yda. fighting yda :P

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Originally Posted by myahele

I actually surprised to see that Lyse travels with us to Doma. I figured that she'll remain in Eorzea and we'll go to Doma with only Yugiri. I also wonder why Lyse is not wearing her iconic garb? I can see that it's practical for fighting, but I wonder the if devs decided to go with another outfit due to clipping or technical issues and her CG outfit will be more for "formal" events?

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I believe she will eventually don what could be considered the more formal attire, or at least we have received artwork that features an in-game rendering of the outfit. If that ends up being the case then there may be some significance behind it.

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...Jv7UC5cB1M.jpg

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's confirmed in the lore book - and it's not as if they had the Warrior of Light to fall back on to solve all their problems, thus they had to resort to increasing desperate measures for the sake of their continued survival after being forced to carve out a living in a wasteland. Should they have rolled over and allowed themselves to be wiped out instead? Push people far enough and they start pushing back. Much like the Roman Empire, there's a lot of bad, yes, but they're hardly irredeemable and one only has to look at how many 'good' countries in the real world get involved in conflicts that they shouldn't but still have their own redeeming qualities.

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They had a plight. It stopped being a plight 50 years ago. Most Garleans alive today have been part of an expanding empire for their entire lives. There is pushing back and then there is conquering everything you can and forcing the bulk of your population into a role little better than slaves. Now if your fortunate to have a benevolent governor its probably not too bad. But if you don't its not like you have many options. You cant up and move. They kill people who try that.

The Victim card only is valid for so long and it doesn't excuse you becoming the one victimising others.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

We've already seen redeeming elements in regards to Regula and - to a lesser extent - Gaius. The latter more so in 1.0 than 2.0. Zenos is likely to be a straight up villain, though from what little we've seen of him so far it's clear he doesn't care all that much about his own allies which is likely to be his downfall, I believe.

As an aside, I wonder if the Doman Viceroy and Hien used to be lovers? Or if they're directly related - as siblings, perhaps. I could have sworn it said 'a family torn' as it panned to the Viceroy...but that may just be me.

As per usual, the trailer may be strategically cut in places to make us believe one thing is happening whilst something else is actually the case. It'll be very interesting to see how it all plays out...and as a fan of FFXII, I'm eager to see which elements of that game they bring into 4.0. FFIX, too, will get a lot of love and in-game references I hope!

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Actually I have a feeling that she will turn out to be either a rival house or in some way the victim of traditions. It would explain her hatred of her own people's desire to return to their old ways. In that way I could see very well why she would see herself as in the right.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'm terrible at blink-and-you'll-miss-it stuff in trailers, so I may have completely overlooked it, but I have a question for the sharper-eyed viewers:

Has anyone spotted Widargelt? AKA the Monk trainer, AKA Theodred, heir to Ala Mhigo's throne.

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No, but Oboro (NIN job trainer) seems like he'll play a small role
https://i.imgur.com/V3rqxSZ.jpg

I don't think Widargelt will play a big role, but I would imagine that he'd at least show up in the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

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It's more nuanced than that. People are very biased - and understandably so - because so far we've only really seen the situation through Eorzea's eyes and easily fall into the trap of looking at it through the perspective of real world modern day morality which is very different to how things play out in a fictional setting. Eorzea's own history is laced with controversies, both recent and distant. Garlemald has made mistakes, yes, but it has done so due to a combination of well intentioned extremism and misguided self defence. Garleans cannot use magic, bar certain exceptions. Their homeland is a wasteland. They cannot grow crops. They were displaced from their original territory and forced to carve out a living for themselves in a location that made it incredibly difficult to keep their numbers up. They had to do whatever was necessary to survive and at some point they discovered the potential of ceruleum - thus bringing forth the wonder that is magitek.

Still, that doesn't solve their plight. They still need resources and their neighbours did nothing but antagonise them - likely in large part due to being perceived as 'easy' targets. So they sought to expand, leading to the acquisition of fine foods and drinks, leading to many Garleans finally being able to lead comfortable lives. This plays out in the real world quite often when you see how various nations came to improve and expand their operations. Does this excuse Garlemald on every level? No, but they're not without their own justifications and seemingly many people here expect them to have simply rolled over and died out or allowed themselves to be tormented again and again.

It is very likely that the Garleans attempted diplomacy and it did not benefit them in any way. Ultimately people do what it takes to survive which is why morality is considered to be so complicated. Murder and theft are wrong - but it becomes much more murky in terms of morality when the specific circumstances are considered. It isn't rigid. There's often two sides to every story. I have little doubt that - once again - I will be proven right in regards to Garlemald being much more nuanced than many here pretend. It wasn't so long ago that some people were saying that Garlemald was a stereotypical evil organisation without any redeeming qualities or justifications for their actions. Then we got the lore book and it rendered a lot of the theories proposed by Garlean enthusiasts as canon such as the likelihood that they suffered immensely themselves before securing the power of magitek.

It happened again with Regula. Many of the same people were saying he had no redeeming qualities and would betray the Emperor. That didn't happen, he turned out to be very honourable and even sacrificed his life for the sake of one of the Warrior of Light's allies. I have little doubt that it will happen again in 4.0 and things will be very complicated. The lyrics of the trailer even imply as much.

The music from 3:05 to 3:50 had shivers running up my skin from just how beautiful it was, paired that with the equally beautiful landscape of the Azim Steppes and the Xaela tribes. I also found it interesting that Lyse is going to travel with us for most of 4.0, especially to Othard, but I could see it as a journey of learning for her. She speaks of liberation and freedom, but does she know the costs of what she desires for her home? Knowing Lyse, her plan might just be to march up to the Garleans and beat them out of Ala Mhigo, but perhaps a trip to Doma (which I think has been under Garlean occupation for longer than Ala Mhigo?) will shed some light for her that liberating a country isn't as simple as she thinks it to be. June 16th, please come sooner!

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It happened again with Regula. Many of the same people were saying he had no redeeming qualities and would betray the Emperor. That didn't happen, he turned out to be very honourable and even sacrificed his life for the sake of one of the Warrior of Light's allies. I have little doubt that it will happen again in 4.0 and things will be very complicated. The lyrics of the trailer even imply as much.

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Part of the issue, I think, is that we could have someone like Regula to interact with and show us that not all Garleans are terrible people, or we could have someone like Livia to slaughter the Scions and shoot one of her own men regardless of the actual tactical value.

(I'm leaving aside Nael, who was clearly way off the deep end even for Garlemald.)

And there is very little, based on what we have seen, that implies the Empire prefers Regula-type to Livia-type. Even the descriptions of the Garlean(-allied) higher-ups we've seen in the Stormblood lore page prime us to believe both Zenos and Yotsuyu will be pointlessly brutal and sadistic, and this will be sanctioned (via apathy, if nothing else) by the Empire in general. I will concede the possibility of a bait-and-switch, but to do so would strike me as a bit too baroque.

One can certainly make a case that some of the Eorzean organizations have done plenty worse (Lolorito and Teledji spring to mind), but we rightly condemn them too.