Devs! While you're at it, unlock hairstyles and race starting sets too!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Now, job-specific gear - that IS a lock. The only thing preventing a WHM from wearing or glamouring heavy armor is basically a checkbox insisting that they can't

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Huh. The last time I brought up something similar to this like this on the OTHER side of the fence (how dare I assume things aren't simple lines of code), I had several people calling me wrong because "I'm not a dev and don't have access to or knowledge of the code" and demanded proof that I did. which in and of itself totally isn't hypocrisy, so ...Would it be fair if I requested the same from you?


I'm not even sure I can agree that most people WANT casters/healers in heavy plate right now. The chance people get to pitch that idea in a contest and everyone goes for the same flowing robes, sashes, dresses, etc. I didn't really see a whole lot of "armor" lookin' stuff.

But I digress.


I'm generally on the side of "just because we can doesn't mean we should." While Lore might be a "pitiful shield" for such things, I do feel Aesthetics should very much be upheld. After all, Aesthetics are what separate classes. Strip away the particle effects and potency of abilities, and SMN is a BLM with a pet. MCH is a BRD with turrets instead of songs. It's not until we give them more defining abilities and aesthetics that they become their own thing*.

The Aesthetics that separate races right now are starting clothes, idles, facial features, voices, and select hairstyles. I would argue that starting clothes (the things new players see/have to use) are pretty integral to a race's aethetics. it's literally the clothes of the race.

There have been arguments made before that job-restricted items can be previewed on any class. If we were to give this argument consideration, then I must bring up the fact that you can't preview the racial clothes on different races.



*This is a very large over-generalization for the purpose of discussion. Obviously classes arent all copied from eachother.

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Originally Posted by Sil3ntxR3qui3m

I'm not saying that it's impossible, it just doesn't seem right imo. "You aren't one of us, but here, take our clothes because you're cool and stuff. Screw tradition and the legacy of our race."

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I would challenge you to explain how any of the non-Au Ra outfits are in any way beholden to lore. They're just aesthetic. And in some cases (see: miqo'te schoolgirl outfit), really horribly fanservicey aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I would challenge you to explain how any of the non-Au Ra outfits are in any way beholden to lore. They're just aesthetic. And in some cases (see: miqo'te schoolgirl outfit), really horribly fanservicey aesthetic.

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Hairstyles are just asethetic, as are all of the faces, and the voices. In fact, the entirety of every race can be shoveled into "Its just an aesthetic"

There is actually some lore, albeit a very small amount of lore, for the starter sets for each race in the lorebook. It's about the style of clothing each of the races prefers, which describes the starter sets for each race. It doesn't mean that it should keep the races from wearing each other's sets, but I do like the uniqueness of the races, even down to the clothing.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I would challenge you to explain how any of the non-Au Ra outfits are in any way beholden to lore. They're just aesthetic. And in some cases (see: miqo'te schoolgirl outfit), really horribly fanservicey aesthetic.

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I doubt they are. I'm not arguing that. What I mean is what other people have said though, that they are unique to the race and I believe they should stay that way.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why do some people believe that everything has to be accessible to everybody? There is absolutely nothing wrong with some gear or hairstyles being exclusive to certain races. This, too, applies to gender based limitations. There needs to be some perks to choosing a particular race over the others; preferably limited to cosmetics only.

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i am all for race uniqueness, no matter it is cosmetic or perks

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I would challenge you to explain how any of the non-Au Ra outfits are in any way beholden to lore. They're just aesthetic. And in some cases (see: miqo'te schoolgirl outfit), really horribly fanservicey aesthetic.

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Aesthetics are important. If there weren't then there would be no point in having different races in the first place. Aesthetics define character and themes of both races, locations and groups. It's what gives them depth and identity. Remove them and the game world becomes a lot more shallow.

This might seem a strange thing to bring up about the starter sets but the issue becomes where do you draw a line. While it might seem a minor aesthetic the starter sets do identify with the individual races far more than the Hempen sets ever have.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why do some people believe that everything has to be accessible to everybody? There is absolutely nothing wrong with some gear or hairstyles being exclusive to certain races. This, too, applies to gender based limitations. There needs to be some perks to choosing a particular race over the others; preferably limited to cosmetics only.

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Except for the fact that it makes no sense unless there's some arcane magic stopping people from asking the hairdresser to make their hair a certain way and clothes suddenly evaporate when people try to wear them.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

Except for the fact that it makes no sense unless there's some arcane magic stopping people from asking the hairdresser to make their hair a certain way and clothes suddenly evaporate when people try to wear them.

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In that case, theres no arcane magic stopping people from using contacts, or having facepaint from other races, or plastic surgery horns, or ears, or any of the other racial features. Might as well just make every racial aspect a glamour item and only have Hyurs.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Hairstyles are just asethetic, as are all of the faces, and the voices. In fact, the entirety of every race can be shoveled into "Its just an aesthetic"

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A face (and to an extent, voice) is not aesthetics. It's genetics. Hairstyles though, yes, are aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

In that case, theres no arcane magic stopping people from using contacts, or having facepaint from other races, or plastic surgery horns, or ears, or any of the other racial features. Might as well just make every racial aspect a glamour item and only have Hyurs.

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Extending an argument out to absurdity is not a good way to have a debate.