[SUGGESTION] Modify the function of "Need" option for loot

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Originally Posted by Cordie

If gear loot is acquired by rolling "Need", then:

1. Flag it as unsellable, non-discardable, ineligible for GC turn‑ins, and ineligible for desynthesis.
2. Remove the flags when they reach 10% to 100% spiritbond.

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

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Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope...nope.. I think I reached the necessary text minium to post... and nope nope... I wish I can express harsh things, so there for, I shall keep it to myself..

HAH did you just put the whole thread in quotes?! XD

I'd judge based on the overwhelming negative response either you haven't worded what you want well and people aren't understanding, or people do understand and just think your idea is unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Simply repeating yourselves does not make your objections any more valid.

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Simply repeating yourself does not make your suggestion any more valid.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

I am really sorry, but seeing that you have no valid point (or even an attempt to make one) against my reasoning, I can only see these comments as irrelevant to the matter I am suggesting :

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Using bold to emphasize only works when it's used like salt to season, not as a blanket.

I've answered your suggestion with reasoning in another thread, your idea was just as bad there as it is here. I'll quote it here - again - one more time since you missed it.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Just came up with another idea, if you want the same biased system.

• In the case you want to preserve newbies' priority on loot for gearing, there is a very simple solution:
  
  1. Flag all gear loot acquired by rolling "Need" as unsellable, non-discardable, ineligible for GC turn‑ins, and ineligible for desynthesis.
  2. Remove the flags when they reach 100% spiritbond.
• If it's not the case, you are not only in favour of a skewed system but you are actively trying to piggyback the newbie-priority case for your "I picked a job - give me my trophy" over-entitlement.

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This is a terrible idea. The fundamental point remains, if a player plays their role in a dungeon there is no reason that you can give that is fair that alters that player's right to have the same access to loot rolls as everyone else in the dungeon. What you are asking for is in effect penalizing some veterans for being veterans. I think that would result in a reduction in people running DF content.

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...and once again....this.

Please ignore this suggestion.

Are we trying to set a Guinness World Record for most idiotic posts in some period of time or something?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Simply repeating yourself does not make your suggestion any more valid.

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Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:

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Originally Posted by Cordie

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

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Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Reasoning


I am really sorry, but seeing that you have no valid point (or even an attempt to make one) against my reasoning, I can only see these comments as irrelevant to the matter I am suggesting :

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Oh that's how we play the game alright... Where's the suggestion? Guess it wasn't valid enough :)

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Originally Posted by Cordie

If gear loot is acquired by rolling "Need", then:

1. Flag it as unsellable, non-discardable, ineligible for GC turn‑ins, and ineligible for desynthesis.
2. Remove the flags when they reach 10% to 100% spiritbond.

The use of gear loot for the class/job a player is playing is either:

• equipping it, or
• using it for glamour

All other cases of using gear loot (Grand Company expert delivery, desynthesis, selling, discarding) are not specific to any job/class. Therefore, providing the same "Need" option for these cases is not justified.

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TL;DR: Please punish those who need seals, desynths etc. So that I may gear up a job I'm not gonna use.

Why should everyone be punished like this? Clearly you do not understand just what seals and all can be used for, and wanna know what that is? Something that can be used for equipping/Glamour in the long run! So in a way, you ARE still needing for what you said. So yes, have your bloody answer to that section.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Enough with this.

Show me and everyone how the following is invalid:



Either you can (and I would like to see it), or you cannot.

Simply stating that you don't like it is not something to be taken seriously

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Haha sorry, no. No matter how much we may not like it at times (I've been guilty of this in the past, I should know) someone not liking something IS a perfectly valid reason for them to not want it put in the game, and people have provided reasons beyond not liking it that your suggestion SHOULDN'T be put in effect.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

I am really sorry, but seeing that you have no valid point (or even an attempt to make one) against my reasoning, I can only see these comments as irrelevant to the matter I am suggesting :

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None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.
Matthew Henry


I think the seer volume of people saying just how silly that suggestion is, is already a valid point in itself

I'm ok with them changing the loot rules. It is just way more complicated than simple need vs greed. There is need for self which should take priority imo, the there is glamour and retainer. It goes on. Most of the times I've seen people ask when the truly need something. However ina run the other day on my healer watch a fully geared BLM need every caster item and screw a lower ilvl smn then complain that the run took too long. When the smn asked for the gear was told to F off he didn't pay the BLM sub. So there are reasons to adjust it. Depending on your mindset.