My issues with PvP

I think the real issue is that PvP wasn't even a thought when the battle system was designed. It was shoehorned in after the fact. They've done what they could with the framework they had to work with, but the system just isn't optimized for PvP. The GCD is too slow, movement speed is too slow, there's not an adequate cc balance, class balance just doesn't fit, the format of the Holy trinity that ffxiv runs on doesn't lend itself to Pvp etc. It'd take a complete rework from the ground up that had both pve and Pvp in mind to put it on par with other mmos.

PvP's biggest flaw in this game is the innate latency and slow position updating. The PvP in this game lacks adequate variety of popular game types and sufficient dev to community communication. Other then that after many updates the jobs are pretty balanced in comparison to other MMO's PvP, not completely balanced of course *cough* mnk *cough*.

Overall is pretty decent, imo the PvP isn't what requires an overhaul, it's the game's latency.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

I think the real issue is that PvP wasn't even a thought when the battle system was designed. It was shoehorned in after the fact. They've done what they could with the framework they had to work with, but the system just isn't optimized for PvP. The GCD is too slow, movement speed is too slow, there's not an adequate cc balance, class balance just doesn't fit, the format of the Holy trinity that ffxiv runs on doesn't lend itself to Pvp etc. It'd take a complete rework from the ground up that had both pve and Pvp in mind to put it on par with other mmos.

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well they said they were revamping abilities and cross class stuff for 4.0,, think there is a chance they will have this in mind?

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

PvP's biggest flaw in this game is the innate latency and slow position updating. The PvP in this game lacks adequate variety of popular game types and sufficient dev to community communication. Other then that after many updates the jobs are pretty balanced in comparison to other MMO's PvP, not completely balanced of course *cough* mnk *cough*.

Overall is pretty decent, imo the PvP isn't what requires an overhaul, it's the game's latency.

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agreed, .5 to about 2.5 seconds to process something is too slow. I am still baffled why FFXI is so much faster in that regard. I am getting tired of being hit by melee LBs though walls and miles away from the person. Hell I was even spiriting already, and running away from a person when the lb sound happened and he still hit me. The lag is so bad aura blast rarely works if people are moving.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

If you can't kill someone in PvP because of healers it has to do with the following:
Lack of CC on the healer
Lack of knowledge of the burst rotation in PvP
Lack of coordination of 2+ people while ^ that is an issue
The healer is skilled and knows how to precure and predict bursts in PvP

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Again, it is a fundamental design flaw and imbalance that an entire team, that cannot communicate, needs to be able to work together in perfect unison simply to be able to counter the effects of one player. Healers are too strong. Healers are too integral to a fight.

"Count healers, determine winner." It's broken and unfun.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Why in god's name would you want healers to be nerfed because PUGs are bad??? In my opinion, you should NOT be able to 1v1 a healer because a healer CANNOT 1v1 you ever since the removal of Cleric Stance.

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If one party is literally unkillable, like healers are, and the other has no healing, then yes, a healer can indeed 1v1. That said, that never happens in any of the game types, so this point is moot regardless.

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I have no idea what is up with this recent influx of people who seem to think that people should just explode as soon as you sneeze on them

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Did I say that? No. Flawed, straw man argument.

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rather than DPS be forced to coordinate and stop doing their PVE rotations on squishies or blowing their burst on a 2-stack tank.

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Again, strangers who cannot communicate needing to coordinate perfectly to be able to counter one player is poor, unbalanced design.

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You can nerf my healing as soon as I get Cleric Stance back and Adrealine Rush is removed from the game

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If it means actual PvP takes place in PvP, with people actually dying instead of two sides hitting each other for 10 minutes until the match ends, then I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Unfortunately I can only give you one up vote Urthdigger, your post was worth ten times that. People seem to think healing in PVP is easy & too strong - I completely refute that.

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Well, no, you disagreed with it. You made no actual argument to refute it.

You don't need to be in perfect unison to kill people through the presence of a healer. The DPS I know can do so by themself and I have proven such in the rankings.

I've never seen a 10 minute stalemate in my life, what elo is this and how can I continue to avoid it?

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Originally Posted by Atrayl

If one party is literally unkillable, like healers are, and the other has no healing, then yes, a healer can indeed 1v1. That said, that never happens in any of the game types, so this point is moot regardless.


Did I say that? No. Flawed, straw man argument.

Again, strangers who cannot communicate needing to coordinate perfectly to be able to counter one player is poor, unbalanced design.

If it means actual PvP takes place in PvP, with people actually dying instead of two sides hitting each other for 10 minutes until the match ends, then I'm all for it.

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Agreed, chat ban in feast needs removed.

Disagree with giving healers cleric stance back; everyone will be healers and the new meta will be 24 WHMs on a team AoE destroying the other teams (like it used to be before they removed cleric stance)

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

You don't need to be in perfect unison to kill people through the presence of a healer. The DPS I know can do so by themself and I have proven such in the rankings.

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We're talking about PUGs, not you and your friend's premade.

What premade? Are PUGs unable to do damage? Is a DPS single handily solo'ing a healer somehow also mean premade?

Are you trying to say healing is OP because the same DPS you see in dungeons pulling numbers an eighth of their potential fail to place abilities together that would cause burst damage thus killing said target leaving their healer little time to respond if at all?

Also, about this myth, 10 minute stalemate??

PUGs just seems like another word for garbage to you.