WHM new skill ideas!

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I'd prefer it if WHM stayed true to what it is instead of getting more mixed with SCH and AST. So no mitigation heals and offensive buffs.

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I understand the reasoning of not wanting WHM to be more like AST and SCH, but at this point giving them more aoe for dungeon running and more variations on healing and reviving isn't going to do the trick anymore.

Raiders are going to look at one thing. Can AST heal it? If the answer is yes, they'll bring AST. And they're never going to make content that can't be healed by AST since that would be imbalance.

We're up against a full arsenal of utility and their crazy powered 20% damage up buff. A few more healing spells and a auto revive isn't going to hold WHMs position in anything. And even if it does, only until progression is over.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I understand the reasoning of not wanting WHM to be more like AST and SCH, but at this point giving them more aoe for dungeon running and more variations on healing and reviving isn't going to do the trick anymore.

Raiders are going to look at one thing. Can AST heal it? If the answer is yes, they'll bring AST. And they're never going to make content that can't be healed by AST since that would be imbalance.

We're up against a full arsenal of utility and their crazy powered 20% damage up buff. A few more healing spells and a auto revive isn't going to hold WHMs position in anything. And even if it does, only until progression is over.

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To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if those buffs get entirely reworked a second time come Stormblood. My working theory has always been the buffs to Astro were never intended to be a permanent fixture, but a means of incentivizing people to give it a try. Frankly, I hope they focus more on de-homogenizing jobs. By supplying White Mage with a slew of new mitigation tools, they effective make it a slightly varied Scholar or Astro. It's among the reasons I advocate Monk getting a flat potency increase over utility buffs. Let them all have a somewhat unique niche.

On that note, they could actually weaken Astro's healing. The idea being a Scholar/Astro comp can handle healing, but will severely struggle-- perhaps even forcing the use of properly timed Mantra, Second Wind and other DPS self heals. Comparatively, bringing a White Mage will ease healing considerably, but you'll give up the DPS and mitigation buffs. That is more the direction I want to see them go. It gives each job a proper identity.

How about a 5 second channeled spell that removes Weakness? Dunno if it would have a cooldown, maybe not since it requires you to stop doing anything else.

WHMs draw their powers from elements and so far we have earth, water, and air. They're missing fire! Fire doesn't have to be destructive, though. It can cauterize wounds, for example. I'd like to see square utilize the healing aspects of fire to add a new element to WHM.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if those buffs get entirely reworked a second time come Stormblood. My working theory has always been the buffs to Astro were never intended to be a permanent fixture, but a means of incentivizing people to give it a try. Frankly, I hope they focus more on de-homogenizing jobs. By supplying White Mage with a slew of new mitigation tools, they effective make it a slightly varied Scholar or Astro. It's among the reasons I advocate Monk getting a flat potency increase over utility buffs. Let them all have a somewhat unique niche.

On that note, they could actually weaken Astro's healing. The idea being a Scholar/Astro comp can handle healing, but will severely struggle-- perhaps even forcing the use of properly timed Mantra, Second Wind and other DPS self heals. Comparatively, bringing a White Mage will ease healing considerably, but you'll give up the DPS and mitigation buffs. That is more the direction I want to see them go. It gives each job a proper identity.

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That is what they started with and it failed spectaculary.
A healer is worth nothing if he/she can't heal right.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

That is what they started with and it failed spectaculary.
A healer is worth nothing if he/she can't heal right.

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Exactly. Healers should all be equally powerful at their role, and have unique powers to separate from each other.

I'd prefer it if they bumped AST' MP costs up to equal the equivalents in the WHM kit versus weakening AST's healing.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I'd prefer it if they bumped AST' MP costs up to equal the equivalents in the WHM kit versus weakening AST's healing.

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No need to nerf AST when it's on par with SCH. Just fix WHM's MP costs, it's the outlier in healer balance at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Rennies

No need to nerf AST when it's on par with SCH. Just fix WHM's MP costs, it's the outlier in healer balance at the moment.

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It's not really on par with SCH. SCH is just a better off-healer. AST was buffed too much and if it wasn't for Lily, a SCH would be fighting a lot harder to keep it'a spot.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

That is what they started with and it failed spectaculary.
A healer is worth nothing if he/she can't heal right.

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healing potency of AST was fine all the time. the increased potency leads to nothing more than more healer dps uptime. the problem was the utility AST offered was not good enough at release to compensate for the lower healing / dps uptime. today we have 2 healers in raid, one almost all the time in cleric, one most time healing, some cleric uptime. but why? because tight dps checks have made it necessary in alex savage. so they had to buff AST healing for more dps uptime. that's a DD problem, not a healer problem, but instead of fixing the DD problem they have destroyed the healer meta, because they have followed the community with their healer-dps obsession.

AST was not bad because of lower healing. AST was bad because lower healing leads to lower party-dps.
so... should they really balance healers around dps? but that's on you community: you have established the healer-dps meta.