Red Mage thread

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Past Red Mages have had healing as well as attack spells and the like so it isn't surprising that people expect/want this version to have something similar as well.

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Oh, I understand why some people would be thinking along those lines; they should just remember how FFXIV gameplay actually works. Sometimes the community gets caught up in imagining how a given Job should be like its incarnation from Final Fantasy XYZ and forgets that a lot of what worked in previous entries in the franchise absolutely does not work here.

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Why are so many people hell-bent on wanting it to be like redmage from FFXI?

Its going to be a damage dealer, not a support.

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They already classified it as "ranged", rather than "caster", in a game where all "ranged" thus far are support.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

They already classified it as "ranged", rather than "caster", in a game where all "ranged" thus far are support.

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http://i.imgur.com/N2xtA8c.png

Technically casters are ranged too, they just distinguish physical ranged as support and magical ranged as damage dealers. BLM, SMN, MCH and BRD are all counted as ranged dps in the feast, for example.

Looking at the last line on this slide I think it is geared towards more damage-dealing. I kind of wish it was a support though, give it refresh and regain to mimic promotion and ballad/paeon, or maybe en-spells to reduce magical or physical vulnerabilities on enemies.

When asked directly didn't Yoshi P respond by saying its "pure DPS"?

One would think it's not a ranged support role in the way MCH/BRD are.

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Originally Posted by ThickishGerm

When asked directly didn't Yoshi P respond by saying its "pure DPS"?

One would think it's not a ranged support role in the way MCH/BRD are.

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TO BE FAIR, most classes match MCH/BRD in utility. The support tag comes purely from our mana regeneration which is silly. RDM could still have plenty of utility just like everyone else while still being "pure dps."

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Originally Posted by ThickishGerm

When asked directly didn't Yoshi P respond by saying its "pure DPS"?

One would think it's not a ranged support role in the way MCH/BRD are.

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Yes, Yoshida explicitly stated that Red Mage is pure DPS type when asked whether it was going to be support-oriented or pure DPS.

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...w/1036771.html

>――赤魔道士は、ピュアDPSですか、それとも支援系ですか？
>吉田氏：ピュアDPSです。

That being said, it WILL probably have some kind utility skills, but people shouldn't set themselves up for a disappointment nonetheless.

Somewhere back in the past, In a thread asking what we wanted to see in future classes, I mentioned wanting a class that positioned to and fro, rather than another that moves side to side. Mentioning Red mage as a possibility (or some sort of mundane explosives user) so, I mean, I'm pretty happy.

Im so excited! I re-subbed just for RDM. I have been complaining since 1.0 because i wanted a spell-sword(not pally or drk though i like drk). I think it will be mostly obvious how it plays with all the info we have. There really arent that many options if you consider the game balance and current mechanics as well. First off If Yoshida said pure dps.. then no heals. Then we can only assume:

It uses speedy positionals.
Chainspells -assumption: cant be a fancy name for 123 combo. or they would have said combo...right? There has to be something else to it.
Black Magic -assumption: Combo finisher that is something like a Flare from BLM
White Magic -assumption: Most likely Aero or something damage based from the WHM job. If not damage based, and not a heal, whats left? Stone? Esuna? Cant be.. hm..Haste? Wait, speedy positionals.. hmmmm...

Im willing to bet RDM has Earth, Fire, Lightning, Water, and Aero spells from WHM/BLM or a 123 spell combo of similar type magics. Im betting that RDM builds stacks similar to monks greased lightning with those spells in ranged positions. As well as lunging abilities to get in, or out of melee range and dodge larger aoes. It will most likely be squishy and die fast. It will probably use magic based melee attacks that can keep the chainspell stacks flowing.

Another possibility for chainspells is something like warrior's wrath stacks. Spend your wrath to use an innerbeast type move.(The flare thing)
Or...
Ninja-like: What skills you use, and in what order cause different end results to be cast.
Either way i can hardly contain my excitement until summer x_x

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Why are so many people hell-bent on wanting it to be like redmage from FFXI?

Its going to be a damage dealer, not a support.

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Agree, i would never want to see a similar role as in XI, aka being a refresh/haste whore and babysitting BLMs :)

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

I'm fine with some situational support abilities, much like SMN and BLM have, but I keep seeing requests for heals, and the last thing I want is for it to have tacked-on healing. Something oGCD that happens to heal self or ally while it applies a useful buff/debuff or deals damage would be okay for a niche bonus or clutch support skill, but since RDM is going to be a DPS class, any ability that consumes GCDs while failing to enhance or protect its ability to deal damage is going to be nigh-useless.

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The beauty of hybrids is that they have skills that are not used 100% of the time but are nice to have. PLD with Clemency comes to mind because Clemency was added under that same idea; the prohibitive MP cost plus the fact it's not easy to get it out while taking hits to the face make this quite evident. RDM could get a similar ability/spell that your normal gameplay discourages using but is there in case things go south. Of course, being able to cross-class Cure and have something that lets it scale with our stats to be stronger than a character with 0 MND while being well below WHM would be fine too.

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Originally Posted by Tactical

Personally, the only part of it from FFXI is the part where it links spells, and makes HELLA explosions.

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What bugs me about that is that Red Mage was never about huge explosions, since they're supposed to have weaker magic than WHM and BLM. Which means RDM should shine in how they use those weaker spells rather than being given their own versions of Flare et al.