The Journey - Is It Still Wanted?

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Originally Posted by Fated

I think a lot of people look back at their levelling experiences in FFXI with huge nostalgia bifocals. FFXI's grind was tedious and obnoxious back in the day. But, I do agree that there is a journey to be made from level 1 to level cap. Yoshida's thought process of bringing friends into the game and zerging them to the cap is disheartening.

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It's not bifocals. Just because you burnt the toast doesn't mean you can't enjoy the center. There are a LOT of things Xi did right. There were a LOT of things Xi did wrong. I'm sure the same can be pretty much said about any MMO. You can have something 'likened' after another without taking the negatives too.

After playing Skyrim for a few days I can only say. My god I'm so tired of games starting at max lvl. I want to do cool things from the start and don't think about: oh I need to get that lvl x to do that cool thing. But I have a feeling I won't find such design philosophy in v 2.0.

I have some really fond memories of my leveling experiences in FFXI, though I have just as many bad memories (getting trained by mobs outside of Kazham anyone? :D)

I like Yoshi-P's idea that if someone wants to be power leveled, they can be. Nobody is forcing you to power level. I play on Selbina, the same server as a particular anti-powerleveling fanatic who says they cannot escape it, and I haven't been in a party that has even tried to find a power-leveler since it was broken and level range didn't matter.

It is all about choice, while I haven't participated in power leveling in a while, I would still like the option to do so. The areas in FFXI were quite beautiful, but it faded after leveling in those areas over and over. Also, I will most likely be leveling up through PvP quite a bit, too!

Both sides have a lot to say on this matter, but in the end, I support Yoshi-P's decision on player choice, the freedom to do either.

I would say in a sense starting with this game from release to now has been a journey. All the changes that have been made and everything in between. The events we have had and now these primal fights. Starting from earning skill points on using certain skills to hitting fatigue. I was actually able to fish here. I was never able to get past level 11 fisher in 11. Changing shells. Adjusting skills. Going with leve parties on dunes, rainine and levinshower. It has been an experience for me and my own journey.

I can understand where you are coming from though. A lot of my time was spent in uldah area. Just brown color. Kinda dull. I've enjoyed the game and all the changes and have had fun the way I have played it. I can remember the first time I hit Mor Dhona. I was like "Oooh, ahhh. New music! Different colors!" and then fog happened and I was even more amazed. Doing the NM battles with my shells. Running through Darkhold. It has been great for me. I do wish there were more areas, but that is coming in 2.0. Who knows how the game will be by then? Perhaps I will make a new character to play with friends or family who start the game. We will see.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

It's not bifocals. Just because you burnt the toast doesn't mean you can't enjoy the center. There are a LOT of things Xi did right. There were a LOT of things Xi did wrong. I'm sure the same can be pretty much said about any MMO. You can have something 'likened' after another without taking the negatives too.

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Which is precisely what I said. I don't want players bringing their friends up to the cap in 3 days. I want there to be a journey from the early levels to the end game levels like there was in FFXI. However, I don't want an FFXI caliber grind.

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Originally Posted by Fated

I think a lot of people look back at their levelling experiences in FFXI with huge nostalgia bifocals. FFXI's grind was tedious and obnoxious back in the day. But, I do agree that there is a journey to be made from level 1 to level cap. Yoshida's thought process of bringing friends into the game and zerging them to the cap is disheartening.

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Yes yes we're all looking in 'nostalgia bifocals' because people actually like steady progression instead of rushing to the top and have everything handed to you the second you get there (Modern MMOs.)



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Originally Posted by Quisi

After playing Skyrim for a few days I can only say. My god I'm so tired of games starting at max lvl. I want to do cool things from the start and don't think about: oh I need to get that lvl x to do that cool thing. But I have a feeling I won't find such design philosophy in v 2.0.

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Skyrim did get pretty boring quick honestly, it's a nice game..but honestly..

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yes yes we're all looking in 'nostalgia bifocals' because people actually like steady progression instead of rushing to the top and have everything handed to you the second you get there (Modern MMOs.)

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I'd love for you to point out where I suggested I am against "steady progression instead of rushing to top and having everything handed to you the second you get there."

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Originally Posted by Fated

I'd love for you to point out where I suggested I am against "steady progression instead of rushing to top and having everything handed to you the second you get there."

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You generally say people are looking with 'nostalgia glasses/etc' when they can't see something better ahead of them and are resistant to change ;p

I'd love for you to point out where I even stated you said you were against it, especially since you said you don't agree with yoshida's thought on basically skipping the journey.

I bring up point A, you counter it with point B, I bring up point C and you're back at point B.

Have fun.

plvling is completely broken. You can go from 1 to 50 in one day. The change in 1.19a didn't fix anything.