32 Button Scholar - Complications?

Appreciate the alternate macro idea. I hadn't really considered spamming Embrace while dpsing... though I do recall back in 2.0 folks linking Embrace to their DPS abilities... I think that was pretty much when I stopped playing the job out of irritation. But like i said, I main warrior, and my 2nd job is Monk... neither have much in the way of macros... aside from some ability swaps paired with stance dancing... and they happen within the cycle of a GCD. Obviously Scholar and Warrior.. but like i said.. trying to breath life into jobs I had avoided due to button heavyness. Hell I can't even enjoy DRK for the same reason lol. Thanks for the advice, even if I don't follow it all.

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Originally Posted by Steady

My summon macro for both pets includes OBEY. I actually have to manually switch them back for sic for the random low level dungeon where it's almost pointness to try to control her and you can just DPS the whole thing.

Still not clear how a priority macro causes lag when I can't visibly see it. If anything it would lag Ruin 1 in capped content since the priority falls on Broil, which would only be capped content anyhow. I spose I can take a timer, spam it for 60 seconds with and without and see for myself.

Again, I suppose I have a hard time seeing myself "wasting Aetherflow" in this manner.

Perhaps I should have stated up front. I main Warrior. I have no interest in Maining Scholar. Frankly speaking.. I'm trying to make Scholar tolerable, as having more than 32 buttons is INtolerable to me. I don't hate the job because if has 3-4 action bars worth of abilities.... I hate PLAYING the job with that many action bars. So My object was to create a solution that makes this job fun for me to play in contrast to WHM which doesn't have these issues.

So my intention is to do fairly casual content, and try to make this job enjoyable for me, the dumb Roe who raids with an AXE and likes fewer buttons. :P

At any rate, sounds like in summary, the Scholar Purists are in agreement that anything other than having each button individually accessible is blasphemy, and if you can't handle 64 buttons, then GTFO. Sound bout right? :P

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Fair enough, but I must say I don't quite understand the complaint of too many buttons. Obviously you have pets to manage, but if you don't include pet hotbars, scholar only has 2 or 3 more abilities than warrior does, and those are ones you don't even use that often (protect, summon 1, summon 2, are good examples. You'll use these once or twice per instance/fight tbh).

But yeah if you're not planning on being serious with scholar, do whatever works for you. My post was under the assumption that you were wanting to raid with it.

Was more trying to understand the objection to what I was doing. Evidently the argument is largely about flexibility and lag. I still can't say I've seen lag, but i'll take your word on it.... as I imagine it was no different than dps Melee jobs who attempted similar feats and got the same arguement against... namely monk. But considering casters in general move slower than Monks, it seemed quite a bit more negligible.

I'm used to having two action bars and toggling between. The Pet bar would make one of the two bars hidden and force purposeful bar switching, which I really disliked. So it felt super clunky going from DPS action bar to Healing Action bar, because i'd hafta toggle by holding down a button and pressing a direction or button for bar 1 or 2. I play on Joystick, which is why more than 32 buttons, especially the pet bar.. is tedious.

Being able to queue up abilities is something a lot of people take for granted. Macros removal of that ability is a serious dampening on your potential dps and hps.

Here's an idea for you related to that, maybe just straight up remove Ruin 1, and just use Ruin 2 in level synced content. No one will even notice, and it'll be a lot more helpful than having Broil macro'd, and will still free up a spot for other things.

Only issue is if you go to something so low that you don't even have ruin 2, but at that point you can probably just take the few seconds to grab it out of your action screen.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Dissipation has been one of the best raiding tools for scholar since gordias. You may want to re-evaluate.

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It's a healing CD best used as a DPS boost...

Macros etc aside is it even possible to play SCH optimally on anything other than keyboard and mouse?

If you want a hotbar saver, it is so worth getting a 3rd, uncyclable hotbar. This is a 3rd hotbar which you can only access by holding down r1 / l1 and selecting manually, instead of tapping the triggers. It's so useful for putting abilities like summon / summon 2 , teleport, mounts, dissipation, obey etc which you don't cast often but want to be readily available.

Ever since I started using it I can't imagine playing without it. It's not only a hotbar saver but a huge QoL improvement too.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Macros etc aside is it even possible to play SCH optimally on anything other than keyboard and mouse?

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I think i do just fine on a ps4.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

It's a healing CD best used as a DPS boost...

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It's Mana burst. It's DPS burst. It's Healing burst. It's utility is as flexible as Aetherflow.

I have stoneskin, protect and both summons on a separate bar that I can double tap to get to. I also have fey wind and whispering dawn in a macro with rouse since they have the same cooldown. I have obey in the summon macro for all of my pets and I only have one extra adlo + embrace that I barely ever use. So I only have the 4 abilities separate from the 32 and I could make room if I had to, but I don't use those ones as often.

I don't see how any class can be played with only 32 buttons. I play mainly WHM and I use controllers too. I have to do some bar switching with RB once in a while to get to my less frequently used stuff.

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Originally Posted by Aryn_Lastrov

If you want a hotbar saver, it is so worth getting a 3rd, uncyclable hotbar. This is a 3rd hotbar which you can only access by holding down r1 / l1 and selecting manually, instead of tapping the triggers. It's so useful for putting abilities like summon / summon 2 , teleport, mounts, dissipation, obey etc which you don't cast often but want to be readily available.

Ever since I started using it I can't imagine playing without it. It's not only a hotbar saver but a huge QoL improvement too.

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Yep, that's what I use mine for. I have chocobo commands, protect, stoneskin, stoneskin 2, food, mind potions, raise, etc. It doesn't take long to get to. Even with raise on it I'm still usually the first one to raise people in combat.