Ninja SkS Build with 2100+ dps

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

People always argued my high Skill Speed, but I felt like it contributed to my dps. After a while, I did away from Skill Speed, but I honestly see a dip now. They tell my I'm delusional.

Anywho, in A9, the only aoe I use is Doton. I am confident to say, when I spam aoes on the adds, we are at the borderline of killing them. But with Doton and my single-targeting, they drop faster.

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Yes, doton will probably outdo single-targeting, but unless they're lasting 20+ seconds, you should be using katon. You should also really already know this.

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Originally Posted by Aijin-Sama

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Say hello to damage formulas:
GCD/oGCD/DoT potency: ((Potency/100)*(1+WD*0.0432544)*(DEX*0.1027246)*(1+DET/7290)*BUFFS)-2
AA: ((WD/3*aa_delay/34+1)*(DEX/6.8)*(DET/6795+1)*BUFFS)-1
DoT buff by SS: ((SS-354)/7722+1) – [Note, this fits into “BUFFS” for damage calculation]
More can be found here: https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/damag...her-mechanics/

All attacks has a variance of +- 5%. These are tested and confirmed in game.

So we do have theory proving SS to be worthless.

Thank you Krindor :)

and to Aijin, if you don't understand how stuff works, please don't go around saying that you do.

LOL. I really hope you are trolling at this point. Dervy and Krindor are THE sources for this sort of stuff, if you won't listen to them, there is no helping you. Enjoy your SS :p

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Originally Posted by Aijin-Sama

Yes again theorys not facts no realiable source.atleast give me 5 real certified source,source that shares the same consept of this theory,and theories Never proves anything so it wont prove det is good and SS is useless,Plus you didnt answer any of my questions atleast 1.
PS I NEVER said DET is bad and SS is good just so everyone know and never said go really high on SS
I said minimum 870 SS to get 1.95 GCD beyond 1.95 is dangerous in a lot of ways

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Unless you can't understand math I answered all 3 of your questions. Damage/Potency can be derived from the formula and the reason every attack isn't the same is because there's a variance that is +- 5% of what the formula calculates. You can go ahead and try and get these numbers yourself, I do believe I've proven my point to everyone else so no more reason to continue with this.

What on earth would lead you to believe that a stat called "Skill speed" is boosting the base damage/potency of your DoTs and Skills?

Refusing to accept empirical evidence in preference of your anecdotal evidence is doing nothing to further your argument.

But kudos for asking questions and trying out different possibilities, nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by Khubla_Kha

What on earth would lead you to believe that a stat called "Skill speed" is boosting the base damage/potency of your DoTs and Skills?

Refusing to accept empirical evidence in preference of your anecdotal evidence is doing nothing to further your argument.

But kudos for asking questions and trying out different possibilities, nothing wrong with that.

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Um....actually Skill Speed and Spell Speed were updated to effect the damage output of DoTs. It's in the tooltip. Rather than making them tick more often however, Skill Speed increase the potency. It's weird and doesn't really make sense, but it does work that way.

EDIT: My fault for not thoroughly reading every post in the thread before responding....I didn't realize that he was suggesting that Skill Speed directly buffs weapon skill damage. I interpreted the quoted response as stating that DoTs are not buffed by SS.

I think we all know that, but he also mentioned that skillspeed increases the damage of all weaponskills on the gcd, while saying det increases the damage of all ogcds only.

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Originally Posted by Aijin-Sama

finally : DET in 2.x is really Different than 3.x
DET in 2.0 usually carries everything (auto attack-weapon skill-dot-overall potency damage-OGCD damage)
DET in 3.0 only (auto attack and OGCD)

SS in 2.0 only (shorten recast time)
SS in 3.0 now have (increase GCD-DoT-shorten Recast time

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I've never heard nor seen anything that would point to that being true, I'm very curious to know where that idea came from.

It'll be a cold day in hell when I turn on tp regen for one single NIN, it only happens in a9s and that's because I need the tp most of all. Krindor is right that MCH are currently outdpsing NIN in Creator. I have a little bird that sits on my shoulder who is very good at adding up the damage numbers hitting the boss, and it tells me MCH are outdpsing NIN both at the 75th and 90th percentiles.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

I think we all know that, but he also mentioned that skillspeed increases the damage of all weaponskills on the gcd, while saying det increases the damage of all ogcds only. See the last post on the previous page.

I've never heard nor seen anything that would point to that being true, I'm very curious to know where that idea came from.

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Just read the rest of the thread and it becomes clear where it comes from, Aijin-Sama's head. And only from there.

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Originally Posted by Aijin-Sama

Yes again theorys not facts no realiable source.atleast
I said minimum 870 SS to get 1.95 GCD beyond 1.95 is dangerous in a lot of ways

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Dude, if you have any grounding in science, I'm sure you understand the concept of weight of evidence? What you have is 5 testimonials/expert opinions vs thousands of data points of empirical evidence which lead to that Dervy damage formula. I'm purposely ignoring the fact that your level of evidence (opnion/testimonial/expertise) ranks significantly lower than Dervy's (which is an observational controlled trial).
It is OK to be ignorant, you can still learn and get better. It is NOT ok to be ignorant + belligerent because all you are doing is deluding yourself and misleading others.

I'll address your questions.
1. Potency to damage is a work in progress. The most accurate damage formula (both JP and EN independent work) can be found here
https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/2015/...mage-formulas/
2. It has been conclusively proven by Dervy and also the author of the Healing formula that there is a 5% built in game variance in conversion from Potency to Effect (e.g. Damage and Healing). This means that for any action executed, the values in Damage/Healing can be 5% higher or lower within the same environment of identical stats.
3. see 2.

TLDR
Educate yourself on these resources:
https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ulas_and_more/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ted_and_works/

Then we can begin a proper reasoned discussion in earnest.

P.S. btw, were you aware SKS is divided in tiers and the tooltip is inaccurate? If you don't reach the next tier (especially with bad ping), as far as the server is concerned, your extra SKS is worthless.