[Suggestion to Yoshida and the com] Third Dragoon alternative

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

The classic Dragoon could only use the Jump command, this is what set them apart from the others and always been one of the more unique Jobs to exist, much like Summoner set itself apart from black mage by having cinematic destruction -- Throughout FF history they added on abilities and power to the Dragoon job, which adding a wyvern was yet another addition to it and given that FFXI was released in 2002, Dragoon in 2003, that falls in line with "classic" if you consider Freya's playstyle "traditional".

When you generally hear classic, you're immediately think of the first set of Dragoons, which wasn't that different aside being able to Jump which was always calculated as a critical type hit.

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I see where you're coming at, lets go beyond FF11.. Say FF12RW, and FF13 the character Fang.

Main point across, The wyvern in FF11 added nothing new that the Dragoon in the past could already do. In fact it did less. When that wyvern dies, there goes all the breath attacks/dps with it.

I don't want that. I personally don't want DRG to be turned into a pet class.

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Originally Posted by Aion

please be consistent

and as I recall, Marauder is using axe,no?

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It is consistent -- As in it's just another frontline attacker, much like in other games that had Dragoon. Jump is what set Dragoon apart till they started adding more abilities to it over the years.

If FF14 DRG can do Highwind/Jump like this or better I'll be happy no matter what.

I for one am looking forward to the strong possibility that FFXIV might be the first Final Fantasy Online game where the Dragoon job is so strong, it doesn't have to call for backup. Ever.

The only reason I'd want the Wyvern back is because I thought it was kind of cool. I never noticed much in the way of "added" abilities when I played. Someone made the point about Dynamis and other EoG battles, your Wyvern would wipe after the first wave; so true but I believe that's why it went from a 2hour to a whenever you want to call with a decent 30 minute cool down, could be wrong. Otherwise, Wyverns really only helped a Drag when you ran solo, like the path companions in XI. I don't need a Wyvern in battle as a constant, a simple 2 hour would work IF it was worth using. If you gimp it then it's use less as the Wyverns didn't do THAT much to help or hinder the group. As I said earlier, it was an "OH SHIT" ability! LOL ;)

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I for one am looking forward to the strong possibility that FFXIV might be the first Final Fantasy Online game where the Dragoon job is so strong, it doesn't have to call for backup. Ever.

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I can agree with this. Playing a Drg in XI was so painful and no one wanted to PT with you unless you every piece of gear and ACC gear. They Wyvern DIDN'T matter at all. It was there, it was neat to have flying around and really that was all for me. I don't think I ever used it other than to just run around and farm/solo stuff...that was it. IMHO, I'd like it and an additional quest later to get it would be cool or having it as a "special mount" yay; I'd prefer a Wyvern mount for my Dragoon rather than a damned Gobue. :P

I think a dragoon job with abilities from the other games like fire/ice/lightning breath attacks, lancet (different version of bloodbath but with mp as well), and superb DPS would be much more fun than playing a dragoon job that just has a tag along wyvern that does the special things for you that dragoon has been able to do by itself in the tactics advance series, and other games. Who knows what other neat abilities the dev team would make up for a wyvernless, powerful dragoon that we'd miss out on if it had a wyvern and needed to be balanced and weakened?

And don't forget, jobs in FF XIV are designed for 8 member party content, where a full automated or half automated wyver can die easy. An AI is not good like a full human controlled char.

When it comes down to brass tacks, at this point any compromise is going to feel like just that; a compromise. Both groups will feel like their opinions were taken less into account. The only way to please everyone at this point will be to release two Jobs for Lancer, one Dragoon and one Dragon Tamer(esk) class. Even that is going to be problematic, since they will effectively be forced to split the abilities that were originally one, whole and complete, concept into two disparate categories. Who gets Jump, for instance, Dragoon or Dragon Tamer (well, obviously Dragoon, it may be more accurate to say, does the pet job or the petless job get Jump)? I think the community is going to be a bit sour about this one regardless.

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Originally Posted by Geesus

The only reason I'd want the Wyvern back is because I thought it was kind of cool. I never noticed much in the way of "added" abilities when I played. Someone made the point about Dynamis and other EoG battles, your Wyvern would wipe after the first wave; so true but I believe that's why it went from a 2hour to a whenever you want to call with a decent 30 minute cool down, could be wrong. Otherwise, Wyverns really only helped a Drag when you ran solo, like the path companions in XI. I don't need a Wyvern in battle as a constant, a simple 2 hour would work IF it was worth using. If you gimp it then it's use less as the Wyverns didn't do THAT much to help or hinder the group. As I said earlier, it was an "OH SHIT" ability! LOL ;)

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You know, I hadn't really considered it before, but reading this, I think the reason that DRG's Call Wyvern ability was a 2hr at first was because originally the DRG wasn't supposed to be a pet job. If you think of it in that context, some of the stranger decisions early in FFXI make more sense. If the Wyvern was just supposed to be their cool "big attack" like Manafont, and only supposed to appear, help out, then die fairly quickly, the original design of DRG makes quite a bit more sense. The players put it to a completely different use, which caused the developers to rethink the entire concept into what it is today. Oh well, total tangent, but it's an interesting thought.

I liked your idea for the quest to get the dragoon job. but this games lore states that the dragoons in this game hunts dragons. A good idea for the quest would be a choice at the end, to join the dragoons or the dragons, and that this choice will affect if you have a pet or not.