Proposal for 3.4 BiS for War.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

@HaelseMikiro
Just comparing alex slaying ring vs tomestone fending ring, it seems like alex slaying ring has about 8 more stat weight. So doing that change would make it better

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The difference is that mainstats on tanks are only worth 0.45x as much when calculating actual attack power, dropping that to about 4 Attack power, at the cost of 1500 hp.

The difference here, and what makes these BiS theorycrafting threads so ridiculous, is that you can actually get use out of 1500 more hp by eating busters in out of tank stance, or saving your healers GCDs over time, instead of 0.3% more DPS(assuming 1300+ Attack Power at full i270), which will not even be detectable on a parser due to crit variance.

HP does something, fractional percentage DPS increases do not.

So is no skill speed at all to be melded unto gear?
I just recently levelled my war to 60 and have had various people say crit, others said skill speed, i am lost... lol
Currently using POTD weapon with det melded, but my main is blm and 2nd is Ninja so i will probably not be getting scripture gear on Warrior for sometime.
If at all i will just get the Prototype gear from the new Alex raid

The slaying ring will be popular in i270s because skilled WAR doesn't need that much HP to begin with mostly because they are more efficient at tunnelling DPS and not tanking majority of the fights, coupled by DRK/PLD procs.

Ever since the 3.2 change, Vit is legit while Crit is not fixed and highly arguable due to the RNG nature. 8 more potential AP is barely noticeable when you actually compare to how much STR and VIT you are at i270.

There are many instances where more HP is noticably better especially if you raid. For example, A11S features a tank buster called Laser X Sword which deals 36k damage raw each on 2 tanks. You know how much easier for healers to still continue DPS if you have that potential full HP? Thrill Vengeance will easily survive (you take 26k with 40k hp) and gives ample of time for healers to contribute more damage than your almost nonexistent damage increase before E.D.D add spawns. Even 1 GCD each from healers is already better than your 0.3% damage up.

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Originally Posted by Maero

So is no skill speed at all to be melded unto gear?
I just recently levelled my war to 60 and have had various people say crit, others said skill speed, i am lost... lol
Currently using POTD weapon with det melded, but my main is blm and 2nd is Ninja so i will probably not be getting scripture gear on Warrior for sometime.
If at all i will just get the Prototype gear from the new Alex raid

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You want to have enough skill speed for triple fell cleaves in berserks ideally.

So the 3.4 stat weights were just released and this list has changed quite a bit. Interesting that the new BiS lists have almost no SkS on it so some WARs with bad internet connections or less skill will need to use sub-optimal gear.

The biggest and most impactful change was the Alex chest now being BiS due to the new crit weight. So while we gained a big chunk of crit and a higher stat weight, we lost a lot of SkS and ACC. Also, a lot of the i250 crafted accessories are now BiS when heavily V over melded. The necklace in particular is now really good but it's stuck in a weird position. With V overmelding, it's quite a bit better than the previous BiS, the shire necklace, but now we no longer have a surplus of ACC to drop so the Alex necklace might be needed unless we're melding ACC Vs. Without sacrificing Crit V melds, that leaves only 4 non-overmeld slots that can be used for ACC and that's not enough.

So yea, the BiS list is now kind of up in the air.

Pretty sure it was accepted that the alex chest was BiS even with the old stat weights. Using the alex necklace and priestly omelette you can get exactly 700 accu while using alex chest without the need of melding accu materias. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/WWDM.

As for pentamelded i250 accs, they're mostly just a bit better than the i270 accs even when pentamelded with tier v materias, and since the set above only has 700 accu, you'll have to make up for the loss of accu by melding accu materias. I'll play around a bit more and see if I can figure out something that has better stat weight.

Edit: seems like only the pentamelded crafted slaying ring is BiS (with vit v, crit v, 3x sks v it has 0.330 more stat weight than the alex slaying ring with vit v).

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/WWDM.

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This seems EXTREMELY theoretical, there's a massive accuracy loss for only about 20 main stat, unless you can put together a full set with accuracy caps that don't nullify the weight gain, I seriously doubt i250 crafted accessories will be worthwhile, even for enthusiasts with far too much gil.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Pretty sure it was accepted that the alex chest was BiS even with the old stat weights. Using the alex necklace and priestly omelette you can get exactly 700 accu while using alex chest without the need of melding accu materias. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/WWDM.

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It technically wasn't because you could get a higher stat weight (and most importantly, it came with a lot higher SkS -- 517 SkS is not enough for a lot of people) while meeting the ACC cap with a 2 slaying / 3 fending ACC split and the augmented shire chest piece. You obviously lose quite a bit of HP so whether it's practically worth it is questionable but A12S was cleared and deliverance up-time was already incredibly high even with less HP. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/WWE7

Though I guess after looking at it again, you can still achieve that now. It's just that you need to bankrupt yourself to do it since now you need more V pentamelded accessories to pull it off. So yea, going with the Alexander chest piece build is a lot more practical now, but like I said, the SkS is going to be an issue. You could swap some melds for SkS Vs and maybe look at different food but that would all be sub optimal.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

It technically wasn't because you could get a higher stat weight (and most importantly, it came with a lot higher SkS -- 517 SkS is not enough for a lot of people) while meeting the ACC cap with a 2 slaying / 3 fending ACC split and the augmented shire chest piece. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/WWE7

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I'm sure I've checked that set out a few weeks ago but it ended up slightly below the one I linked, if we use the old stat weights, but I might be wrong and I'm too lazy to check again lol. I get your point about 517 sks being too low for some people, personally I'll probably swap a few det melds into sks just for a bit of leniency in actual fights. I'm definitely not going to go v pentameld though, last time I tried pentamelding I ended up using like 80 mat iv for the 4 overmeld slots, can't imagine that with mat v. :p

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Originally Posted by Sweetgrass

unless you can put together a full set with accuracy caps that don't nullify the weight gain, I seriously doubt i250 crafted accessories will be worthwhile, even for enthusiasts with far too much gil.

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But that's what I was saying? I even added an edit saying that only the pentamelded ring is potentially BiS, winning by 0.330 stat weight over the alex slaying ring.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/WN7I

WAR BiS. that is all folks. (the only reason for the SS melds is because i know the limit of my internet connection. if you can do without it and meld 4 det 5's in that would be the most optimal)