I really dislike the concept of PLing in this game.

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Originally Posted by Physic

the whole problem with the cure outside pl, is you are taking the healers jobs, and sometimes the tanks, they did it in ffxi, and people didnt want paladins or blm or whm or rdm, unless they were the level sync. Its not really any better, its just different people who are useless to the party

Fact is plevel is always going to be an issue, the biggest problem is, there is a lot of high level people, who arent interested in leveling some of these jobs for real, they have already had fun leveling the classes they enjoy.

Best answer would just be kill pl completely (including inside cures) and create a level sync option. (in this game due to tnls, you will always get better exp partying in your actual range) the only way to really PL in this case would be heavy twinking with low level +2 gears with materias.

only problem with this is, after you do it a couple times, you probably really really dont want to go through level 1-26 or so again slowly. and since there is no physical level, its probably going to be really really slow. Also pleveling small groups and friends who just need a certain level to team/get a skill is a real reason.

dont really know what the solutions are, probably it will need a community one, where they signal non plevel parties.

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ya i can see how a powerlevel outside healing can take a healer job i guess there no real way of fixing it best way is find some other way of helping out people would be level sync and they said they are trying to add that in ffxiv.

In this game it is very easy for healer to DD. That said I really think it is less of an issue here than say, FFXI. At least everyone would be able to contribute, unlike now.

Take this into consideration too;
1) Healing job as PL when there are actually no healers that wants to level up normally at the given time
2) Level sync a healer, however healer gains no benefits from it since their level is maxed out. Additionally, provides no PL bonus or extra benefit to the party, but just fills a role at the cost of wasting someone else's time and effort.

It may be a good choise to abolish PL, BUT only partially and first of all for DoW / DoM.

After that, we may just have usual EXP progress ONLY for job skills (everyone needs their abilities to handle battles properly, anyways).

On the other side, any (usual) mob level is always equals player's rank (except BOSSes and Notorious Monsters; there may be a need of viable changes to make them quite bit 'tougher' or 'resistent' against player/s ).

SO, if you have a need of wipes or more EXP per turn, you just need to handle more monsters at once than your party contains.

Pros:
- any player will much much more easily find a party,
- difficulty of a current battle depends on player's skill and amount of mobs linked,
- probably, less internet traffic for individual characters,
- party members depend much more on each other,
- now, skill is more improtant than a rank of mob <=> player
- that kind of interaction is more suitable for PvP, later ...
- and so on ....

Cons:
- where are the cons o_O?

I understand the op's point. I see that PL'n is a way way better way to level up then leves, quests, behest what have you.

I see mainly ppl solo'n leves nowadays. No leve link groups. I do see EXP parties however on my server. And im assuming most are chaining mobs.

I have all my DoW and DoM jobs to 50. Last 2, GLD i did get PL'd, MRD i grinded leves solo and duo'd spiders till 40 then went with the shell into a stronghold and leeched exp there. Rest of my classes i did with the ol skool leve parties and Raptor grinding pre 1.19.

So really i think players just want to get levels. They will do whatever they can possibly do to get levels. SE added tons of ways to get exp that makes it very versatile and can cater to all different types of players and situations.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Please stop the madness already....and make the exp system function like this.
People can still PL their friends by healing and buffing (and with level sync, help with the killing as well). Just let the actual, you know, killing the monster part not be made into a complete joke.

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if the highest one killing the mob dictates the exp then you would have higher lvl players grieving low lvl players by attacking here mobs on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

ya but some of us like to party with new people it pretty dumb that people A: Don't know how to cure B: can't tank and C: Can't do anything in a party. This happen a lot at med level due to the fact everyone A: Solo or B: Powerlevel. I party with linkshell members too but it gone to the point that most of us don't have class around each other level anymore.

crafting that pretty much most of us doing now can't stand party anymore when random people they don't know how to play there class or only want to party with powerlevel. I understand a powerlevel that heal but kill the mobs for you? no thanks.

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Oh I agree with you 100% and it's why our LS will PL but we don't PL you just because you're lazy and we have a strict policy on LEARNING YOUR JOB. We won't take anyone into an Instance of importance until they can prove in grind PTs or leves they can perform their job. We welcome questions from any of our LS mates in regards to their jobs if they have issues but yeah, no PL'ers in main instances such as Uber Ifrit.

I like PTs with pick up groups but I don't play as much as I would like so if no one in my LS is really doing much, I'll craft or help someone new who is shouting for assistance in town.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

ya i can see how a powerlevel outside healing can take a healer job i guess there no real way of fixing it best way is find some other way of helping out people would be level sync and they said they are trying to add that in ffxiv.

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Well that depends on the Healer who is there to old school PL like we use to in XI.

Occasionally we could get help with a Whm coming to Dunes or wherever but when she did, her rule was, "If you're all about to die I'll help, otherwise, you're on your own!" This way the mages in the PT could play their jobs. They had a L75+ merit Whm there to help them not just with spells but actually teaching them what to and not to do. It was more of a mentoring event rather than a "easy mode" thing. So they learned elemental wheel and correct spells to cast and when.

It's a shame people are this lazy. I mean, once you hit 50 in all your DoW/M jobs, wtf are you going to do? Oh wait, I know, they'll come to the forums and bitch there is no EoG content! LMFAO!

thing to rem here is plevel isnt that much faster exp than a regular party, the real problem is people forcing or tricking others into it.

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Originally Posted by Physic

thing to rem here is plevel isnt that much faster exp than a regular party, the real problem is people forcing or tricking others into it.

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Mehhh.... I don't know about that but it is possible depending on the PT. I can see what you're saying and it's probably true in many ways.