Is there something I can do about a corrupted FC?

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

It's funny how people say the FC leader is law and there isn't anything the GMs can do. That's entirely false, if something falls under the pretense of harassment the GMs will look into the matter. We had a FC here back in 2.X that would early pull hunts, legitimately early, with just them there and announce the location AFTER they kill it, sit there and wait for players to show up, then brag about it and move on to the next hunt. Soon enough the GMs started hitting them with suspensions, the FC leader encouraged them to keep doing it under the idea that "people who don't raid don't deserve hunt upgrade items." After a bit they started to drop off and the GMs eased off a bit.

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That's weird. Early pulling hunts is clearly not against the rules. I didn't know false call-outs would be considered harassment, but I guess.

The original posters situation is definitely not harassment or reportable.

People need to stop reporting everything and wasting GM's time. Just because you don't like another player or how they do things doesn't mean they have any less right to play. Let's stop trying to get people suspended and go on our merry way.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

That's weird. Early pulling hunts is clearly not against the rules. I didn't know false call-outs would be considered harassment, but I guess.

The original posters situation is definitely not harassment or reportable.

People need to stop reporting everything and wasting GM's time. Just because you don't like another player or how they do things doesn't mean they have any less right to play. Let's stop trying to get people suspended and go on our merry way.

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Hunts are a gray area from what I recall the GMs saying, as they require communication and a server effort to spawn and take down, which I'm guessing they meant S ranks. This was with the first batch of hunts that they released, when people thought A ranks were tethered to fates and B ranks also mattered. It was a real bad time because not only would they kill it if they found it and then late call it, after a bit when people figured them out they'd give conflicting map locations in attempts to lure players away and make linkshells look unreliable.I guess the GMs just got fed up with and felt the need to step in and confront them because shortly after Ironworks was released you hardly seen any of these players around hunts or Mor Dhona.

I know it's not the same situation as the OP but thought I'd just share a brief moment of my servers history that if the GMs are needed to handle player conflicts they will do it but it takes a huge effort for them to even get to that level.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

That's weird. Early pulling hunts is clearly not against the rules. I didn't know false call-outs would be considered harassment, but I guess.

The original posters situation is definitely not harassment or reportable.

People need to stop reporting everything and wasting GM's time. Just because you don't like another player or how they do things doesn't mean they have any less right to play. Let's stop trying to get people suspended and go on our merry way.

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There's also the little hitch in the ToS that lines out everything neatly (which includes scamming- as SE states it, leading someone to believe anything that isn't true for your benefit. Which I assume can include calling out hunts that are no longer there intentionally, having a group of people craft something for you while you tell them it's for them, but with the intention of personal gain, or someone saying "I won't roll on that loot" and then, they do) and then at the veeeery end it says "Or anything else a GM may deem as harassment or infringing on someone else's enjoyment of the game," paraphrased of course. So idk why someone who is willingly being selfish and making the game worse for others, to make them game better for themselves, SHOULDN'T be punished. GMs aren't the cops, they don't have a set window to deal with things. They have logs of everything. You could get punished tomorrow for something you did months ago, if the proof is given. Imo if someone is willingly doing anything to better their experience, at the expense of someone else's, they should be addressed by a GM in a way the GM deems necessary, and the GM should be the one deciding what does or doesn't need to be done.

Tl;dr, there is nothing wrong with reporting anything you find suspicious or wrong to a GM. It's not like them taking 10 minutes to look into your issue is preventing them from ever addressing anything else that happened at the same time as your report.

It is as they say, there are two types of bad people in the world: those who do bad things, and those who see bad things being done and do nothing about it.

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Originally Posted by LadyVal

Tl;dr, there is nothing wrong with reporting anything you find suspicious or wrong to a GM. It's not like them taking 10 minutes to look into your issue is preventing them from ever addressing anything else that happened at the same time as your report.

It is as they say, there are two types of bad people in the world: those who do bad things, and those who see bad things being done and do nothing about it.

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Yes, I agree report suspicious and flat out harassment behaviour. Not things such as an FC leader locking up all the FC chests.

Your quote is nice and all, but I feel this is more like bogus 911 calls -(i.e. http://www.mass.gov/eopss/agencies/s...911-calls.html). It is a detriment to have bogus reporting as it bogs down the system and prevents real action to be taken against real issues.

Further, this is more of a personal opinion thing, but I think less of someone who reports someone and gets them suspended/banned from the game for things such as early/false calls of hunts, than I do for early/false calls of hunts.

If someone is consistently false calling hunts, they will be found out pretty quick and people will just stop listening to them. However, with reporting and suspending this person, you're forcibly preventing their enjoyment. It's more vengeful than productive.

Nope, nothing you can do. GMs won't be interested in the slightest. Just chalk it up to a harsh life lesson.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

That's weird. Early pulling hunts is clearly not against the rules. I didn't know false call-outs would be considered harassment, but I guess.

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unless I read it wrong, the FC was also tauntung others about it? If so, that's easily within the harassment rules and could attact discipline.

I once had someone say horrible and untrue things about me and my FC to pretty much anyone he could talk to. I saw it myself, and had around 3 other friends tell me about what he was saying. I reported this to a GM and they couldn't (wouldn't) do anything about it because A) I couldn't provide exact proof because I didn't document the date and times and B) a lot of the information was second hand.

I was pretty salty about it for a while but I appreciate the GM's don't have the time to find all of this information themselves. Unless you have exact proof of this happening and have experienced it personally, I highly doubt you can do anything.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

I once had someone say horrible and untrue things about me and my FC to pretty much anyone he could talk to. I saw it myself, and had around 3 other friends tell me about what he was saying. I reported this to a GM and they couldn't (wouldn't) do anything about it because A) I couldn't provide exact proof because I didn't document the date and times and B) a lot of the information was second hand.

I was pretty salty about it for a while but I appreciate the GM's don't have the time to find all of this information themselves. Unless you have exact proof of this happening and have experienced it personally, I highly doubt you can do anything.

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Screenshot anything and everything you can

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Screenshot anything and everything you can

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Of course, I always will now. :) Unfortunately there's nothing I can do now and the OP probably can't do anything either without concrete proof.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Of course, I always will now. :) Unfortunately there's nothing I can do now and the OP probably can't do anything either without concrete proof.

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Unfortunately, that is most likely true.

As a Free Company master, hearing about these situations makes me wonder how the company masters in question fool people for so long, and always makes me worry about it souring people on free companies in general. That would be a bad assumption for people to make, but of course no matter how many good FC masters there are, the bad ones can still overshadow the good, because people are more apt to remember the bad over the good.