Paladin Materia

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

For all level 50+ gear, excluding pink and NQ crafted:

• If it has a main stat (VIT/STR/DEX/MND/INT, but not PIE), it's at the cap, this also applies to pink gear
• There are 2 secondary stats, one is at cap, the other is at around 70% of cap (90 and 110 HQ crafted are an exception, they only have one secondary, and it's at cap)

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Well fair enough, still it's an illusion to think you have major choices when in fact most of the time you do not.

On another while somewhat similar topic, i was in a group today with a SS stacking PLD doing more dps than a war, ofcourse the downside was that he flat lined his TP in under 3 minutes relying on TP refresh to keep up. I suppose is an alternative also if you do not mind relying on NIN/BRD but personally i don't want to gear my PLD to rely that heavily on others.

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Originally Posted by Thela

Well fair enough, still it's an illusion to think you have major choices when in fact most of the time you do not.

On another while somewhat similar topic, i was in a group today with a SS stacking PLD doing more dps than a war, ofcourse the downside was that he flat lined his TP in under 3 minutes relying on TP refresh to keep up. I suppose is an alternative also if you do not mind relying on NIN/BRD but personally i don't want to gear my PLD to rely that heavily on others.

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You have DPS numbers on that? That sounds crazy. I'm curious how much Skill Speed you need to actually push your DPS so high without overclipping Goring Blade.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

You have DPS numbers on that? That sounds crazy. I'm curious how much Skill Speed you need to actually push your DPS so high without overclipping Goring Blade.

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Would there be a value, since SS increase DoT numbers, that Facture would become a DPS increase, regardless of TP cost ?
If so, you could spend that GCD to not reapply GB too early.

I'm seeing parry mentioned and just pls no.

PLD is the one tank job where Parry is essentially worthless. Let's not do that. You have a shield, you have block synergy, focus on blocking, don't bump Parry for pointless additional stuff. You definitely want crit > det > sks (though the 6 det on the IV makes it pretty bad compared to the 9 sks you can get from the sks ones, as was mentioned). You would think that TP is an issue, but none of the fights in Savage are 100% uptime on the boss. They're all short periods broken up by downtime where TP regenerates, so don't worry about TP things when considering how to meld.

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Originally Posted by Thela

On another while somewhat similar topic, i was in a group today with a SS stacking PLD doing more dps than a war.

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Then that's just a bad WAR. Skillspeed isn't some secret amazing stat just for PLD.

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Originally Posted by Launched

Then that's just a bad WAR. Skillspeed isn't some secret amazing stat just for PLD.

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I've been seeing a lot of these bad warriors recently, 400 dps on sephirot bad. With paladin and drk fighting over after the patch, seems more tanks are trying to go warrior and don't know how to play it.

I like to throw money away. On that note, how much mp could I gain by melding piety for my pld? Also, does piety count as a "main stat" or is that available to overmeld

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Originally Posted by keyburz

I like to throw money away. On that note, how much mp could I gain by melding piety for my pld? Also, does piety count as a "main stat" or is that available to overmeld

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Piety is a main stat, so no overmelding. If you put Piety V into all 18 slots, including weapon/shield, you would get about 650 MP as a PLD.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Would there be a value, since SS increase DoT numbers, that Facture would become a DPS increase, regardless of TP cost ?
If so, you could spend that GCD to not reapply GB too early.

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Sitting at 650 Skill Speed, I was able to get in one Fracture every GB RA RA rotation. I need a little bit more SKSPD, because Goring Blade wore off 0.02 or 0.01 seconds before I could reapply it, so around 30-40 more SKSPD might be needed. Anyways, I found that using Fracture in-between the combos did provide a slight DPS increase sometimes. Some others I'd get either the same amount or DPS or slightly less...

However, the TP loss was staggering, I was completely dry by the 3 minute mark. I'm guessing any more skill speed than that will make it impossible toeven reach the three minute mark if you're using Fracture. The DPs gain was also very... inconsistent, so I'm thinking unless we can get to around 690 Skill Speed it's not gonna be worth stacking it. Even if you do manage 700ish SKSPD, I think the DPS gain from Fracture will be too inconsequential to even matter when you weigh it against the TP consumption.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

I think the DPS gain from Fracture will be too inconsequential to even matter when you weigh it against the TP consumption.

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Thanks for the numbers :)
TP consumption is, on itself, also inconsistent. Recent content does not require 100% uptime, so it would give you room to let your TP refresh when you can't hit the target.
Also, I suppose we're not the only job who could run out of TP, so it's not unreasonable to suppose there will be some songs or turret to restore party's TP.