In your opinion, should the game be free? Or cost less per month?

They're already using the Free 2 Play model, why should they be charging us 15 bucks a month?

Here's my biggest gripe. WHERE DID THE HEAVENSWARD MONEY GO?

We ALL paid 30-60 bucks for the expansion. What have we seen in return? Incredibly lazy patches. A *serious* lack of content. Yet while they're taking our money in game sales and sub fees, and giving us scraps in return, they're peddling recolors of Magiteks for $12 each, and charging for glamours (scions) that they ALREADY HAVE MODELS FOR!

What is being created? Has SE forgotten their core tenants for their approach to game design? "If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong"

This argument doesn't apply to new players, because you guys have a wealth of things to do. But the fact remains that THAT CONTENT WAS ALREADY PAID FOR


What are we, the people who've been subbed since day 1, paying for? What have I paid 90 dollars in sub fees since Heavensward for? Thordan EX? Diadem? Lord of Verminion? An incredibly shallow relic grind that is solely meant to give people a reason to not unsub for two to three months?

I was disappointed in 3.0 but I've been loyal, and I love this game so I stuck it out. I was disappointed in 3.1 but I had hope for the future. But now the cold truth is rearing its head and we're seeing what we've paid for. The development of cash shop items and a relic grind that would take one day to code.

SE's team needs to get their act together, and I'm almost done making excuses for them. They have literally dropped the ball on everything in 3.0 outside of Ravana and Thordan EX. The sub fee is not worth it anymore. To actually see the cash shop grow while the game's content keeps shrinking is depressing, and it is a betrayal to all of the customers who's stayed loyal.

We are getting conned at this point.

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Originally Posted by Valoiz

Population is going down! SE creativity down! B2P is prolly the best option now

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I keep hearing the population is going down but I sure do not see it. Still a ton of people around and our FC keeps growing every week.

What content do people actually want? To me there is a ton of content and Heavensward added to the existing content. Seems people just want a brand new game every expansion/patch.

Look at how much content we got during the 2.0-2.15 cycle and how much we've gotten during 3.0

Take into consideration that we now have the cash shop and paid for heavensward

They have made more money and we have gotten less content. I don't see why people are not upset about this

You know what...
if the lack of money is really such a serious issue, like, if it really is the issue
if more money could actually, in a transparent way, solve all the "server limitations" and "data size limitations" and "small dev team" issues - the issues that seem to persist and poison our experience of the game...
double the damn fee, I don't even care. But then I'd expect true, actual reports, and a timely increase in quality in all the affected aspects of the game.

If the game was free I wouldn't be playing it .

So no thanks.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

You know what...
if the lack of money is really such a serious issue, like, if it really is the issue
if more money could actually, in a transparent way, solve all the "server limitations" and "data size limitations" and "small dev team" issues - the issues that seem to persist and poison our experience of the game...
double the damn fee, I don't even care. But then I'd expect true, actual reports, and a timely increase in quality in all the affected aspects of the game.

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This issue isn't money. This issue is SE is using this game, their cash cow, to funnel money into FFXV and splitting FFVII up into separate releases so they can make *even more* money. SE's greed and their negligence of what their customers want is baffling.

It plays like a F2P already, might as well be.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

I'm asking the community how they feel regarding the content and pervious content. I have no way to influence any opinion. What you're reading minus my op is nothing more then how the people in the community feel.

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At this point, what I am reading is how less than 20 people in the "community" feel.

And none of them come close to the your original post: "Look where we are, players of all game styles, raiding, nonraiding and even craft and gathering players, we are all, or for the most part of us, fed up with how this game is looking."

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Originally Posted by KarmaCha

Here's my biggest gripe. WHERE DID THE HEAVENSWARD MONEY GO?

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Take a percentage off the top if you bought the game via PSN, at a store, or from Steam. Square Enix only receives full-price for a game if you bought it directly from them.

Take out sales costs, shipping costs, marketing funds, transport fees, etc.

Take out salaries for both those involved in the expansion AND also general operating expenses (salaries, office space, IT infrastructure) for the company.

Take out funds used for paying back debt taken on over the years because of failing products.

Pay the stockholders. Pay taxes to the government. Pay for new product development.

If they're lucky, Square Enix broke even on 3.0 expansion sales.

Apply those same rules to your $15/month fee.

If you still aren't satisfied, try to set up your own company and run your MMO along the lines you think SE should be using, and see whether you make money or not.