Black Mage Casting Glitches

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Originally Posted by JackFross

I mean...

I haven't hit 60 on my BLM yet...

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Your point 1) makes no sense as that is not how F4 works. F4 can never be cast with proc from F1. It's only requirements are Astral Fire and Enochian.

2) Firestarter is still a thing, it's the only way to get 6 f4's off in your opener. And it helps in your second rotation too.

3) It's inevitable that sometimes you won't know what state you're going to be in every time you case F1 with Astral Fire dropping off.

4) AF does run out during transpose. It's annoying as hell. It runs out during the animation before granting UI.

5) It's pretty hard to tell if you're going to lose Enochian or UI or AF during cast as sometimes 3 seconds remaining is enough time, sometimes it is not.

Further the lag time on the F4 proc after AF is annoying.

These are QOL buffs not skill affecters.

It's not a skill problem, it's a latency problem.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

These are QOL buffs not skill affecters.

It's not a skill problem, it's a latency problem.

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First off, Jack's responding to someone, not throwing up a new list.

1. She doesn't say that.
2. She's responding to overlapping Firestarters
3. You will always know the state you're going to be in. If Fire finishes before AF runs off, you stay in AF. If it doesn't, you don't. It's not random.
4. It doesn't. You didn't activate the ability soon enough.
5. It's really not.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

They can't make it proc earlier unless they decided to check if your spell hits well in advance of the animation actually HITTING

Not to mention that every class has their own little latency things to deal with (See SMN and waiting for Bane after Bio) or other little annoyances caused by other issues (Animation delay for Benediction/Hallowed Ground).

Welcome to FFXIV, learn to adapt and make yourself a better player, don't wait for devs to make your job easy mode.

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Fair enough, but a good deal of those are due only to purposeful design.

Have you seen how fast Greased Lightning procs from a Rock Breaker that may have missed? Before the animation finishes. It's not like the server has to actual wait for the projectile animation to cross over to the mob to calculate whether it will hit.

That said, BLM becoming unable to waste Firestarters would be a pretty huge and unnecessary buff prior to level 60, and would frankly make the job less interesting to me, given that I liked using oGCD weaves to deal with it, etc (the mere fact that oGCDs would allow you to proc Firestarter early should be a queue that the time before you have access to Firestarter has been purposely prolonged by design...).

That said, the other changes (more responsive Transpose, F4, B4) mentioned here largely lie within latency-safety / QoL. Would like it if B4 would end casting instantly if Enochian drops rather than completing the cast before fizzling.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

First off, Jack's responding to someone, not throwing up a new list.

1. She doesn't say that.
2. She's responding to overlapping Firestarters
3. You will always know the state you're going to be in. If Fire finishes before AF runs off, you stay in AF. If it doesn't, you don't. It's not random.
4. It doesn't. You didn't activate the ability soon enough.
5. It's really not.

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No, I will explain better.

1. I read that wrong, my bad.

2. I understand now, again not how I read it.

3. I'm talking about latency here. I can do the exact same rotation and sometimes I will lose my AF3 and other times I will not.
It only ever seems to refresh as AF1 when someone is lagging.

4.Transpose, you can look at the combat logs. It will go Transpose, -AF, Transpose has no effect. It happens that you lose it after you are already casting Transpose. Very rare, but happens.

5. I don't like to have to base my rotations on if there's a laggy server or group that day. Usually first pull in the dungeon/raid I can tell if I'm going to have a full rotation or a laggy rotation (meaning I have to drop a spell or proc at some point for optimal DPS).

Just because it doesn't happen to everyone all the time doesn't mean it's not an issue. The scenarios I'm talking about happen to me very, very rarely. But they still happen.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

They don't, really. Nothing is different with the proc time. It's the ability timing. Wanderer's Minuet and Guass Cannon give waste-less procs because their abilities are 1.5s cast, 2.5s recast. Having a 1.5s cast time on Fire would make Lv50 sync content stupid easy on BLM.

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Even with the 1.5s Recast the BRD SS Procs were severely delayed while under WM until SE adjusted the timing of the proc.

They could change F1 to a 2s Cast and maintain the 2.5s Recast to tighten the proc timing. All that would add is a bit more movement through slide casting at sub 50, which I doubt would be game altering.

Also lvl 50 sync content is stupid easy anyway...